Something is Happening Here

Romney, with all his, “I will insist on a military so powerful no one would think of challenging it” bluster, got 39% of the vote in New Hampshire. The next two candidates, Paul and Huntsman, who both say we should withdraw from Afghanistan today, got 40% of the vote combined. Neither Huntsman nor Paul are going to win the Republican nomination.

What is the Obama campaign doing to recruit the anti-war Republicans in August?

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14 Responses to Something is Happening Here

  1. Paxton says:

    don’t miss Rick “I would send troops back into Iraq” Perry. What did he get? 0.7%? Ouch.

  2. Fentex says:

    What is the Obama campaign doing to recruit the anti-war Republicans in August?

    Given his administrations apparent intent on starting a war with Iran it seems very little.

  3. Alex says:

    What’s the administration doing? Bombing Pakistan

  4. Roman says:

    “What is the Obama campaign doing to recruit the anti-war Republicans in August?”

    Huh? That’s a bit presumptuous isn’t it? Perhaps it would be better to start closer to home…

    “What is the Obama campaign doing to recruit…Democrats – NOW?”

    In many quarters, Dem angst has gone well beyond simmer to a full raging boil. Ignoring it (and its causes) while pursuing a strategy to appeal to anti-war Republicans is just fool hardy (even if you do have a billion dollar war chest).

    The Anti-war issue should actually decline in significance as events like the final pull-out from Iraq, drawdown from Afghanistan, and force wide reduction play out.

    Nov’s result will be more dependent on who resonates best on bread & butter issues like “jobs, Jobs, JOBS” and “homes, Homes, HOMES”. Unfortunately, neither have been Obama’s strong suit.

  5. len says:

    Newt is working on that. A year of sanctimony… Watch the History Channel and other news specials and take note of pre-memes starting the wave of ire, angst and sentiment to be applied. Note they are running the “How I Killed bin Laden” shows right next to the GatorHunters and Tough AxMen Truckers With Babes shows. Maybe that is all that is in the hopper after this many years of kicking foreign ass, but until I see something like that Tribes movie from the 70s and a Coke commercial teaching us to sing in perfect harmony, I know there is no sudden upsurge of pacifism in the halls of media-entrenched power.

    Meanwhile, someone is assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists. Oy vey.

  6. JTMcPhee says:

    Re Anti-war issue: Maybe it will decline in significance as sons-‘n-daughters field forces are apparently reduced, but the self-perpetuating, malignant thing that is the worldwide MIC, and the “policy-generating” apparatus that feeds it and feeds off it, are in, as the Brits say, “full chat.” It would be nice if the self-identified Republicans who appear to resonate to that one little part of the Ron Paul phenomenon were actually sensitive to the survival-related necessity to grow some other way of doing business. Maybe they are, and maybe something good will come of that. It’s darn hard to defeat the seductive charms of desiccated bureaucratism that are busily striving for ever more potent and destructive tools of hegemony, more really neat weapons, and of course all those O-4s and above and their contractor pals whose “careers” are tied to more of the same.

    And of course the people who march behind Obama seem to be drawn along by the martial noises of the drums and bugles and all those hours immersed in the “Call of Duty.”

  7. len says:

    @jtmc: Nationwide Stockholm Syndrome. They’ve been captured for so long they defend their captors.

    One sees this in companies where management is rife with sadists. The people are afraid to lose their jobs and over time come to accept the abuse as normal. Then they defend their abusers. Quite common in MIL-contract organizations, one really feels badly for the youngsters who start their careers in these places and know no other environment. Now we are seeing it nationwide particularly where the folks have no other job experience which is unfortunately the lot of the millenials.

  8. JTMcPhee says:

    One wonders if this phenom is consciously cultivated, or just part and parcel of How Humans Really Work And What Our Collective Destiny Really Is. Or both.

    I thought, from previous Enlightenments here, that the Millenials were going to be the group saviors of us all… or at least future generations, since they will be shoving us older folks onto the “ice flows” as they grab our wallets and insurance policies and savings…

  9. Alex Bowles says:

    Last week, the Times ran this interactive piece on cutting the defense budget.

    Aside from providing an excellent overview of Pentagon spending, it solicited some really interesting feedback on what people consider worth keeping.

    Of all the lines it includes, only two attracted opposition votes greater than 50%. One of which supported a first-time-ever audit of the Pentagon. But the real eye-opener was the 80% in favor of pulling US troops out of Asia and Europe (meaning, I assume, Korea and Germany).

    Given the general ambivalence about everything else – including notorious but un-killable failures like the V-22 Osprey – this figure is especially telling.

  10. len says:

    @alex: Do you think the will of the voter will be reflected in the defense budget if they are told that job losses may be in the millions and that retraining isn’t likely? As I said, it’s a Chinese finger puzzle. People respond to polls like that until the consequences are revealed.

    Not that I would object. It would be nice to get out of hell sooner rather than later.

    @jtmc: I think it is a loop we are locked into right now. We seem to have reverted to the Man in Gray Flannel Suit which if you recall was in a time after WWII when a generation was conditioned to accept harsh conditions and bullying. Post VietNam was malaise. What I think is the case is the civilizations that prosper by brutal means enjoy brutal cultures and those that don’t have to coexist with others that do. Cheerios and marshmallows.

    Can we get out of it? I think we can but we have to want it badly. If I have to make a bet, I think there is a better than even chance things are going to get more brutal first unless the consequences are dramatically presented and that is definitely a production I want no part of in set design, directing, performing or even supplying the score. I’ve been hoping for the Coke commercial but so far, Hollyweird keeps coming up with more vampires, women who hate men, and men who can’t remember where they left their slippers. Rather vapid.

  11. len says:

    @jtmc: It’s good to understand this because it is part of the generational conflict, Morgon’s statements, and overall frustration: if you have to implement modern technology for a social network that by accretion of members has developed a bullying personality, the technology becomes the bully, not the enabler.

    Try to implement Sharepoint for an organization of boomers who did not learn web technology past using their cell phones and you’ll see what I mean. It’s been almost twenty five years since I wrote the Enterprise Engineering works for General Electric and even I am surprised just how illuminating the final chapter, the Monkey Tree really is.

    So to come back to your question, is this just how humans work, the answer is yes and no. This is how certain societies evolve to work based on history of actions of leaders and the laziness or cowardice of those they govern in response to small or large acts of predation. Sadly and though Alex doesn’t want to accept it, nature conspires against intelligence in the sense that brutality works and is easy to understand. What brutality can’t do is produce quality or innovate. What it can do is suborn and dominate those who can unless they have the will and ability to resist. That is what the millenials are struggling with and unfortunately, in the struggle, they tend to become the thing they struggle against. It shows not in the architecture but in the implementation. That is evolution: a long lasting series of small responses to small acts that aggregate into feature sets that come to dominate the ontogeny and phylogeny of the species.

    We can change but we have to fight for the right to party.

  12. Fentex says:

    Speaking of the U.S’s behaviour towards Iran – it’s looking decidely schizophrenic as the executive seems to have realised it has been walking towards war and made an effort to turn away.

    But those efforts are merely diplomatic while the real financial assualt that promtoes casus belli continues. The U.S needs to stop thinking it has a right to force regime change as it is a fundemental flaw barring honest and effective international policy.

  13. Morgan Warstler says:

    JUST PROMISE: you’ll give the real tax payers 100% of their money back for your military cuts.

    It isn’t hard to put your best foot forward.

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