WTF-Why We Went into Iraq
This seems too weird to be true, but the source is the editor of the Charleston Gazette.
Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse.
Honest. This isn’t a joke. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God.
Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
This bizarre episode occurred while the White House was assembling its “coalition of the willing” to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush’s call and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.”
It’s like a rejected plot from “Ghostbusters”.
http://freakyfroggies.blogspot.com/2008/03/skull-and-bones-gog-and-magog.html
I’d more apt to believe Bush made shit up he thought might sway someone, or said some shit he wanted someone to hear.
I’ve actually heard from multiple people who were with Bush before and after he was dealing with the press, that the bumpkin thing is put on.
I’d think it was odd, but there’s another guy I know who went to Yale by way of Milton Academy, another skull and bones member, who totally fronted as a Texan during debate rounds. He’d start off with, “Now aye don’t know much about THERMONUKLEAR physics.. but ituh seeeems to me…” Goolsbee.
Also, Bush was a phenomenally good poker player at Harvard (like B. Gates). And I’m built to respect guys who hand in Gentleman’s C’s.
I think if you gave Bush an IQ test he’d trump most everyone you know. He basically decided he’d be President, and was. AND got re-elected. AND he did it as a Republican. That’s always the harder sell.
Clinton is that smart. Just hope Obama is.
http://freakyfroggies.blogspot.com/2008/03/skull-and-bones-gog-and-magog.html
I’d more apt to believe Bush made shit up he thought might sway someone, or said some shit he wanted someone to hear.
I’ve actually heard from multiple people who were with Bush before and after he was dealing with the press, that the bumpkin thing is put on.
I’d think it was odd, but there’s another guy I know who went to Yale by way of Milton Academy, another skull and bones member, who totally fronted as a Texan during debate rounds. He’d start off with, “Now aye don’t know much about THERMONUKLEAR physics.. but ituh seeeems to me…” Goolsbee.
Also, Bush was a phenomenally good poker player at Harvard (like B. Gates). And I’m built to respect guys who hand in Gentleman’s C’s.
I think if you gave Bush an IQ test he’d trump most everyone you know. He basically decided he’d be President, and was. AND got re-elected. AND he did it as a Republican. That’s always the harder sell.
Clinton is that smart. Just hope Obama is.
It was a right wing, religious nutter coup there in Washington. And the nuts are now “Birthers”, and are disrupting town hall meetings. It’s the tyranny of the minority mob.
It was a right wing, religious nutter coup there in Washington. And the nuts are now “Birthers”, and are disrupting town hall meetings. It’s the tyranny of the minority mob.
To quote another opinion, “The Silent Majority is no longer silent or the majority.”
When everyone in a room is yelling, that is noise by definition. Whatever label is applied, nothing is getting done about the problem and this can be laid squarely at the feet of the Republican Party and its supporters.
To quote another opinion, “The Silent Majority is no longer silent or the majority.”
When everyone in a room is yelling, that is noise by definition. Whatever label is applied, nothing is getting done about the problem and this can be laid squarely at the feet of the Republican Party and its supporters.
I think this story is probably the French sense of humor at work. I doubt that Goober would even know the names Gog and Magog.
Rick, I understand the anger in your statement but I don’t think it explains everything. Right here in this thread we have a batshit telling us that Bush was actually really smart (based primarily on the expensive school he went to, which is pretty funny coming from someone who regularly sneers at “professor” Jon), and he hopes (but apparently doubts) that Obama is at least as smart as Bush. Yet I’m pretty sure that our own little batshit is not a religious nutter. He has also been on the birther bandwagon. I’m sure he was on the swiftboat bandwagon too.
“The right,” whatever it is/was, really convinced itself in 2000 or shortly thereafter that it had gained (and deserved) a permanent, irrevocable lock on power. Obama in the White House is a contradiction of this, so they simply reason backwards until they find an explanation, no matter how stupid, to explain the situation.
If you start from the assumption that anything other than a right-wing lock on power is a crime, then it’s easy to rant about birth certificates and death panels.
I think this story is probably the French sense of humor at work. I doubt that Goober would even know the names Gog and Magog.
Rick, I understand the anger in your statement but I don’t think it explains everything. Right here in this thread we have a batshit telling us that Bush was actually really smart (based primarily on the expensive school he went to, which is pretty funny coming from someone who regularly sneers at “professor” Jon), and he hopes (but apparently doubts) that Obama is at least as smart as Bush. Yet I’m pretty sure that our own little batshit is not a religious nutter. He has also been on the birther bandwagon. I’m sure he was on the swiftboat bandwagon too.
“The right,” whatever it is/was, really convinced itself in 2000 or shortly thereafter that it had gained (and deserved) a permanent, irrevocable lock on power. Obama in the White House is a contradiction of this, so they simply reason backwards until they find an explanation, no matter how stupid, to explain the situation.
If you start from the assumption that anything other than a right-wing lock on power is a crime, then it’s easy to rant about birth certificates and death panels.
Disclaimer: I knew the names of Gog and Magog but only because they come up several times in the writing of PG Wodehouse, my own personal scriptures.
Disclaimer: I knew the names of Gog and Magog but only because they come up several times in the writing of PG Wodehouse, my own personal scriptures.
Disclaimer: I knew the names of Gog and Magog but only because they come up several times in the writing of PG Wodehouse, my own personal scriptures.
The original Charleston Gazette article is at:
http://wvgazette.com/Opinion/JamesAHaught/200907220060 which concludes with “@tag:This essay is reprinted by permission from the August-September issue of Free Inquiry magazine. Haught, the Gazette’s editor, can be reached by phone at …”
@Dan – Bush could easily know the names Gog and Magog. To suggest otherwise is silly.
The original Charleston Gazette article is at:
http://wvgazette.com/Opinion/JamesAHaught/200907220060 which concludes with “@tag:This essay is reprinted by permission from the August-September issue of Free Inquiry magazine. Haught, the Gazette’s editor, can be reached by phone at …”
@Dan – Bush could easily know the names Gog and Magog. To suggest otherwise is silly.
The original Charleston Gazette article is at:
http://wvgazette.com/Opinion/JamesAHaught/200907220060 which concludes with “@tag:This essay is reprinted by permission from the August-September issue of Free Inquiry magazine. Haught, the Gazette’s editor, can be reached by phone at …”
@Dan – Bush could easily know the names Gog and Magog. To suggest otherwise is silly.
The original Charleston Gazette article is at:
http://wvgazette.com/Opinion/JamesAHaught/200907220060 which concludes with “@tag:This essay is reprinted by permission from the August-September issue of Free Inquiry magazine. Haught, the Gazette’s editor, can be reached by phone at …”
@Dan – Bush could easily know the names Gog and Magog. To suggest otherwise is silly.
Dan, read the link. Bush knew the names. Read this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/02/gwb_hbs_mba.html
When you get done psshawing:
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm
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The reason you guys are staring at a massive deficit that ruins everything you want to do is some internally weird goofball desire to call Bush an idiot. And I’ll say this again, if in another 20 years Iraq is the new Saudi Arabia, and Iran has become a more secular state, that will be Bush’s places in history.
Dan, read the link. Bush knew the names. Read this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/02/gwb_hbs_mba.html
When you get done psshawing:
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm
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The reason you guys are staring at a massive deficit that ruins everything you want to do is some internally weird goofball desire to call Bush an idiot. And I’ll say this again, if in another 20 years Iraq is the new Saudi Arabia, and Iran has become a more secular state, that will be Bush’s places in history.
Dan, read the link. Bush knew the names. Read this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/02/gwb_hbs_mba.html
When you get done psshawing:
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm
——-
The reason you guys are staring at a massive deficit that ruins everything you want to do is some internally weird goofball desire to call Bush an idiot. And I’ll say this again, if in another 20 years Iraq is the new Saudi Arabia, and Iran has become a more secular state, that will be Bush’s places in history.
Dan, read the link. Bush knew the names. Read this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/02/gwb_hbs_mba.html
When you get done psshawing:
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm
——-
The reason you guys are staring at a massive deficit that ruins everything you want to do is some internally weird goofball desire to call Bush an idiot. And I’ll say this again, if in another 20 years Iraq is the new Saudi Arabia, and Iran has become a more secular state, that will be Bush’s places in history.
Dreams of destruction in a confused world that wont accept freedom at gun point anymore.
The past is past, let it be.
A new society is growing on the ashes of a failed experiment and I do think that Bush was a failure of massive proportions…look around…
Anyway it doesn’t matter anymore what matters is real change from inside out.
Morgan, it’s very hard to see how Iran could not become more secular as time goes on. They’re about as religious nutter as they can possibly be right now.
As for Iraq…there should be no Iraq; it should be three countries. As long as you have the Sunni vs. Shia vs. Kurd thing going on you can’t have the iron fist imposed unity that Saudi Arabia has…and that the European construct known as Iraq had under Saddam Hussein.
What we are seeing in the world is that religious and tribal factors won’t easily give way to our truly flawed concept of freedom.
What’s that about learning from history, failure to communicate, confusion of causation and correlation, conflation of blovination, casuistry…?
And Ronnie and Nancy did not take their cues from an asstrologer or phrenologist, and the missiles can always be recalled, can’t they? And trees kill people, he read it in Readers’ Digest so it must have been true.
‘Bout the only thing you can say about all of this is that the world is a stranger place than we know, and “we” know so little, are allowed to see only the string of scarves coming out of the sleeve and the rabbit out of the hat . So great is the distance between Narrative and reality, it’s no wonder the wonderful world of cognitive dissonance opens wide its arms, for tea-baggers collecting Medicare benefits and yelling for the steenkeen’ government to keep its evil hands off their health insurance, and for the Warstlers who daily reinforce my personal dark notion that humanity has a death wish. Yep, that deficit that the Black Hole Creatures we call “conservatives” (what is it they “conserve,” again?) have intentionally saddled the nation with, to ensure the demise of Rooseveltianism, that’s all from calling the Bush League (George is only the pointy head of the phallus these self-gratifying bastards have rammed up the nation’s, and the world’s, butts) bad names and telling bits of the truth that the rest of us have been allowed to see.
“We,” by the way, did not go to war. If you are taking the integral of the US population, and dividing it by the number of people who believe Saddam had nukes and pukes and close ties to bin Ladin and the rest of the Saudi royalty, you get a number that indicates only that it is so easy to steal from the future, pretend to high purpose and do just like the Nazis who stripped the wealth and art of Europe and then ran away to Argentina. “We” were, if anything, “taken” to war, the same way we were “taken” by the Madoffs and AIG and Goldman Sachs and Lockheed-Martin. Words do count — if people were a little more careful about categories and their symbols, maybe — just maybe — “we” wouldn’t keep doing the same stupid shit. Like that’s going to happen, right, Morgan?
Like the man said, the one who waged it on behalf of the REAL “interests” at play, “War is a racket.” Hey Warstler, what did you do in the war? Any war? Other than your little private’s part in the war on truth and common sense and decency and the survival of the species? And did you do it with Dickless “I had other priorities” Cheney or Wheelchair Charlie Krauthammer or George “AWOL, Mission-Accomplished” Bush, or “Anal Fissure” Limbaugh?
I used to think there would be some magic catalyst that could be applied to Stop the Madness. But individual greed, dreams of testosterone-deluded glory, that bit about being “shot at without effect” and the indescribable hot flash of the Pink Mist, the joy of successfully subterfuging the Sheeple, and the finally refined arts of stealing all the wealth of the present and the future to tickle the pleasure centers of the few today, make it real clear that all, the very best, we can hope for is not to be at Ground Zero when Gog and Magog do their thing.
Jon, do you need a proofreader for your book?
Doesn’t seem too weird to me.
What seems weird to me is people’s unwillingness to accept the evidence of their own eyes.
Back in 2003 there were rumors that W was an imbecile – unable to string together coherent sentences.
Yet people would not accept these rumors. After all he was the president of the United States. He couldn’t possibly be as stupid as some claimed.
There’s an old TV movie – Harrison Bergeron. It was styled after Kurt Vonnegut’s short story of the same name. It wasn’t a good movie but it had George W. Bush as the president of the United States.
Very prescient of American society after all.
Jingo doesn’t require fact but biblical citations should at least be accurate. Economist Brad Delong looked up Gog and Magog and noticed Bush misses their arrival by 1,000 years.
and for the Warstlers who daily reinforce my personal dark notion that humanity has a death wish.”
ROFL. Paul, I’m so glad to be here for you.
Yeah, but it’s long been known that years in the Bible don’t mean years as we know them! The funky-fundy preachers jump through hoops to explain the apparent contradictions and incredible inaccuracies, and yeah, lies found in the Bible.
I fairly frequently have to make the drive from Central to Southern California, and for too many miles, just about all you can get is Christian nutter radio. So I sometimes listen and nearly drive off the road with the hoops these modulated voices are virtually jumping through to rattle their audiences and convince us all of their logic. Bloody amazing!
They use the Bible as a grab bag of truths which they twist to suit their control-freak purposes.
I swear they give reasonable Christianity a bad name…
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.