Comments on: National Security State http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/ Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:17:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42905 Hugo Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:46:45 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42905 JTM, I appreciate your sense of the historicity of these things. Twenty years ago I heard someone read a paper containing an interesting comment: "In light of the burning children of Aushwitz, the world no longer can afford to glorify the profession of arms." Your commentary reminds me often of that astute observation. JTM, I appreciate your sense of the historicity of these things. Twenty years ago I heard someone read a paper containing an interesting comment: “In light of the burning children of Aushwitz, the world no longer can afford to glorify the profession of arms.” Your commentary reminds me often of that astute observation.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42907 Hugo Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:46:45 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42907 JTM, I appreciate your sense of the historicity of these things. Twenty years ago I heard someone read a paper containing an interesting comment: "In light of the burning children of Aushwitz, the world no longer can afford to glorify the profession of arms." Your commentary reminds me often of that astute observation. JTM, I appreciate your sense of the historicity of these things. Twenty years ago I heard someone read a paper containing an interesting comment: “In light of the burning children of Aushwitz, the world no longer can afford to glorify the profession of arms.” Your commentary reminds me often of that astute observation.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42911 Hugo Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:46:45 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42911 JTM, I appreciate your sense of the historicity of these things. Twenty years ago I heard someone read a paper containing an interesting comment: "In light of the burning children of Aushwitz, the world no longer can afford to glorify the profession of arms." Your commentary reminds me often of that astute observation. JTM, I appreciate your sense of the historicity of these things. Twenty years ago I heard someone read a paper containing an interesting comment: “In light of the burning children of Aushwitz, the world no longer can afford to glorify the profession of arms.” Your commentary reminds me often of that astute observation.

]]> By: JTMcPhee http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42900 JTMcPhee Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:07:27 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42900 Hugo, my apologies for missing the sense of your post. Subtlety in the the forms of satire and irony and sarcasm don't easily penetrate the webfog of high dudgeon and ire. Everyone is pleased to be acclaimed perfect at anything. Glad there's agreement on what was up with the various people that constituted "Rome" and the other set of humans that constituted "Carthage." That's a start. Hugo, my apologies for missing the sense of your post. Subtlety in the the forms of satire and irony and sarcasm don’t easily penetrate the webfog of high dudgeon and ire.

Everyone is pleased to be acclaimed perfect at anything. Glad there’s agreement on what was up with the various people that constituted “Rome” and the other set of humans that constituted “Carthage.” That’s a start.

]]> By: JTMcPhee http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42901 JTMcPhee Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:07:27 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42901 Hugo, my apologies for missing the sense of your post. Subtlety in the the forms of satire and irony and sarcasm don't easily penetrate the webfog of high dudgeon and ire. Everyone is pleased to be acclaimed perfect at anything. Glad there's agreement on what was up with the various people that constituted "Rome" and the other set of humans that constituted "Carthage." That's a start. Hugo, my apologies for missing the sense of your post. Subtlety in the the forms of satire and irony and sarcasm don’t easily penetrate the webfog of high dudgeon and ire.

Everyone is pleased to be acclaimed perfect at anything. Glad there’s agreement on what was up with the various people that constituted “Rome” and the other set of humans that constituted “Carthage.” That’s a start.

]]> By: JTMcPhee http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42909 JTMcPhee Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:07:27 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42909 Hugo, my apologies for missing the sense of your post. Subtlety in the the forms of satire and irony and sarcasm don't easily penetrate the webfog of high dudgeon and ire. Everyone is pleased to be acclaimed perfect at anything. Glad there's agreement on what was up with the various people that constituted "Rome" and the other set of humans that constituted "Carthage." That's a start. Hugo, my apologies for missing the sense of your post. Subtlety in the the forms of satire and irony and sarcasm don’t easily penetrate the webfog of high dudgeon and ire.

Everyone is pleased to be acclaimed perfect at anything. Glad there’s agreement on what was up with the various people that constituted “Rome” and the other set of humans that constituted “Carthage.” That’s a start.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42892 Hugo Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:01:45 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42892 Oh Jesus, JTM. That precisely defines our distinctions. You presume to instruct me on a point of fact upon which actually we agree. That, in my book, makes you a perfect ass. Mission, as it were, accomplished. Oh Jesus, JTM. That precisely defines our distinctions. You presume to instruct me on a point of fact upon which actually we agree. That, in my book, makes you a perfect ass.

Mission, as it were, accomplished.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42895 Hugo Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:01:45 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42895 Oh Jesus, JTM. That precisely defines our distinctions. You presume to instruct me on a point of fact upon which actually we agree. That, in my book, makes you a perfect ass. Mission, as it were, accomplished. Oh Jesus, JTM. That precisely defines our distinctions. You presume to instruct me on a point of fact upon which actually we agree. That, in my book, makes you a perfect ass.

Mission, as it were, accomplished.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42906 Hugo Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:01:45 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42906 Oh Jesus, JTM. That precisely defines our distinctions. You presume to instruct me on a point of fact upon which actually we agree. That, in my book, makes you a perfect ass. Mission, as it were, accomplished. Oh Jesus, JTM. That precisely defines our distinctions. You presume to instruct me on a point of fact upon which actually we agree. That, in my book, makes you a perfect ass.

Mission, as it were, accomplished.

]]> By: JTMcPhee http://jontaplin.com/2009/08/01/national-security-state/comment-page-4/#comment-42886 JTMcPhee Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:10:57 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=4695#comment-42886 No, Hugo, if you read the history, it wasn't a matter of Carthage "must-ing" to be destroyed. It was as with all imperial behavior, simply a matter that it "will" be destroyed. See Iraq, March 2003. Betcha the guys supplying the short swords and breastplates with the imperial eagle on 'em and the troop transports and feed for the horses and mules and all that made a real killing back then, too. But I guess we Americans get either points for not nuking all the rest of the commercial world to achieve dominion over the beasts and the birds and our fellows, or points for figuring out how to do what Morgan says we are doing: winning by infecting the rest of the world with the disease of greed and "capitalism," and in the way of unintended consequences giving everybody else a common enemy which is the only organizing principle amongst humans with any real staying power. "Mission Accomplished!" No, Hugo, if you read the history, it wasn’t a matter of Carthage “must-ing” to be destroyed. It was as with all imperial behavior, simply a matter that it “will” be destroyed. See Iraq, March 2003. Betcha the guys supplying the short swords and breastplates with the imperial eagle on ‘em and the troop transports and feed for the horses and mules and all that made a real killing back then, too.

But I guess we Americans get either points for not nuking all the rest of the commercial world to achieve dominion over the beasts and the birds and our fellows, or points for figuring out how to do what Morgan says we are doing: winning by infecting the rest of the world with the disease of greed and “capitalism,” and in the way of unintended consequences giving everybody else a common enemy which is the only organizing principle amongst humans with any real staying power.

“Mission Accomplished!”

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