Indict John Yoo
It’s time for John Yoo to face the music for his crimes. The new report from the Inspector Generals makes it clear, he is the guilty party.
The highly controversial no-warrant surveillance program initiated after the September 11 terrorist attacks relied on a “factually flawed” legal analysis inappropriately provided by a single Justice Department official, according to a report to Congress on Friday.
Among other things, the report cites a Justice Department conclusion that “it was extraordinary and inappropriate that a single DOJ attorney, John Yoo, was relied upon to conduct the initial legal assessment” of the surveillance program.
“The lack of oversight and review of Yoo’s work … contributed to a legal analysis of the [program] that at a minimum was factually flawed,” it says.
The report says Yoo largely circumvented both his boss, Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.
I’m well aware that he was acting under Cheney’s direction, but we will never get to the big cheese, until Yoo is prosecuted for violations of the Geneva Conventions and our Constitution. And where in hell is the Bar Association? That this guy still has a license to practice and teach the law is a crime in itself.
Mr. Taplin, you must have tongue in cheek when asking why the private clubs known as “bar associations” or “state supreme court committees on ethics and discipline” don’t take any kind of action against one such as Satan’s Little Helper, John “I’m Immune!” Yoo.
Best you might get would be an Abu Ghraib rope-a-dope until the heat dies down and a slap on the wrist, and maybe the ritual disembowelment of his clerk or secretary. He may be an Evil Korean-American, but he’s OUR Evil Korean-American, and he was just trying to make the world safe for democracy and freedom and liberty and Our Way Of Life. Wasn’t he?
By now you ought to know that neither memory nor outrage lasts very long. Like the slogan for one of our greasy-spoon chains here in FL, “Ya Gotta Eat!”
How about them torture pictures, and the report on the CIA, hey? I’m waitin’…
Mr. Taplin, you must have tongue in cheek when asking why the private clubs known as “bar associations” or “state supreme court committees on ethics and discipline” don’t take any kind of action against one such as Satan’s Little Helper, John “I’m Immune!” Yoo.
Best you might get would be an Abu Ghraib rope-a-dope until the heat dies down and a slap on the wrist, and maybe the ritual disembowelment of his clerk or secretary. He may be an Evil Korean-American, but he’s OUR Evil Korean-American, and he was just trying to make the world safe for democracy and freedom and liberty and Our Way Of Life. Wasn’t he?
By now you ought to know that neither memory nor outrage lasts very long. Like the slogan for one of our greasy-spoon chains here in FL, “Ya Gotta Eat!”
How about them torture pictures, and the report on the CIA, hey? I’m waitin’…
Gee, for a minute there I thought maybe you were referring to John Huang, who bagged hundreds of thousands, if not millions, for the Clintons’ ambitions via the Buddhist temples of Orange County.
Indeed, let the investigations begin!
Gee, for a minute there I thought maybe you were referring to John Huang, who bagged hundreds of thousands, if not millions, for the Clintons’ ambitions via the Buddhist temples of Orange County.
Indeed, let the investigations begin!
“factually flawed,” I like that, that’s good, that’s a great way of saying, “completely and willfully illegal but trying to maintain some shred of credible deniability”
This latest story about how massive the secret police state is that Goober and Strangelove built elicits this response from me:
“You could knock me over with a feather.”
“factually flawed,” I like that, that’s good, that’s a great way of saying, “completely and willfully illegal but trying to maintain some shred of credible deniability”
This latest story about how massive the secret police state is that Goober and Strangelove built elicits this response from me:
“You could knock me over with a feather.”
Whah heck, you know, mistakes were made. We’ve all done things we’re not proud of. I know I have. I’ve turned the leaf, and will do things dif’er’nt in the future.
You can count on that.
Whah heck, you know, mistakes were made. We’ve all done things we’re not proud of. I know I have. I’ve turned the leaf, and will do things dif’er’nt in the future.
You can count on that.
…ever’buddy gets to goof on Clinton sometimes…
…ever’buddy gets to goof on Clinton sometimes…
Book ‘em Dano!
Give him as fair a trial as he recommends and
Then hang him high!
Yep, works for me.
Book ‘em Dano!
Give him as fair a trial as he recommends and
Then hang him high!
Yep, works for me.
Do you think that as we move further from the Bush years and see more testimony for fact-finding on Capitol Hill that prosecutions will seem less politically charged and more a reflection of findings. . . or will the GOP continue to put up a fight til the bitter end?
They can only fight the battle from so many fronts and there’s so much going on within the party it would be hard to keep up the external defense as well.
Do you think that as we move further from the Bush years and see more testimony for fact-finding on Capitol Hill that prosecutions will seem less politically charged and more a reflection of findings. . . or will the GOP continue to put up a fight til the bitter end?
They can only fight the battle from so many fronts and there’s so much going on within the party it would be hard to keep up the external defense as well.
No Cojones in Washington, nothing will happen. I think it is because they all have something to hide so they stick together to protect all.
No Cojones in Washington, nothing will happen. I think it is because they all have something to hide so they stick together to protect all.
Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12intel.html?_r=1&hp
Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12intel.html?_r=1&hp
Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12intel.html?_r=1&hp
“The Gang of Eight”. Gee, whom would that include?
“The Gang of Eight”. Gee, whom would that include?
“The Gang of Eight”. Gee, whom would that include?
There is a logical error called ‘false consensus’ that is about misunderstanding events and circumstances because one mistakenly assummes other people hold the same view and opinion as oneself.
It’s caused by us living in different contests – if I read political opinion pieces, primarily from sources I resepct I’m likely to think more people than likely actually do agree with my political assessments.
If I interact with people who strongly support ideas like pursuing the ideologues and oath breakers who enabled crimes of torture and aggressive war I’m likely to think more people than actually do are willing to sacrifice political good will and progress for it.
My point is that although there are many, I among them, who think it would be the right thing to do, to pursue these criminals, an administrations reluctance to do it might not be because they side with the criminals but because they disagree with the likelihood of success.
Professional politicians and poll watchers may simply have a different understanding of public will and support.
Not to mention that presidents often have to juggle several concerns. For example Obama said he’d release all the incriminating photos of U.S torture but held back on the cusp of doing so.
He may have been reasonably juggling the need for accountability with the need to reduce tensions during U.S withdrawal from Iraq.
Personally if I were Obama I’d have taken all the good will I had at my inauguration and steamrolled the top few things I wanted straight through – but I’m not a professional politician.
Following my instincts would probably never see me elected to high office in the first place.
Obama’s honeymoon is over, and people are beginning to wonder when the change they were promised is coming. I still think it’s early days (he’s only had the reins for about five months) and too soon to hold the momentum of the previous eight years against him.
There is a logical error called ‘false consensus’ that is about misunderstanding events and circumstances because one mistakenly assummes other people hold the same view and opinion as oneself.
It’s caused by us living in different contests – if I read political opinion pieces, primarily from sources I resepct I’m likely to think more people than likely actually do agree with my political assessments.
If I interact with people who strongly support ideas like pursuing the ideologues and oath breakers who enabled crimes of torture and aggressive war I’m likely to think more people than actually do are willing to sacrifice political good will and progress for it.
My point is that although there are many, I among them, who think it would be the right thing to do, to pursue these criminals, an administrations reluctance to do it might not be because they side with the criminals but because they disagree with the likelihood of success.
Professional politicians and poll watchers may simply have a different understanding of public will and support.
Not to mention that presidents often have to juggle several concerns. For example Obama said he’d release all the incriminating photos of U.S torture but held back on the cusp of doing so.
He may have been reasonably juggling the need for accountability with the need to reduce tensions during U.S withdrawal from Iraq.
Personally if I were Obama I’d have taken all the good will I had at my inauguration and steamrolled the top few things I wanted straight through – but I’m not a professional politician.
Following my instincts would probably never see me elected to high office in the first place.
Obama’s honeymoon is over, and people are beginning to wonder when the change they were promised is coming. I still think it’s early days (he’s only had the reins for about five months) and too soon to hold the momentum of the previous eight years against him.
There is a logical error called ‘false consensus’ that is about misunderstanding events and circumstances because one mistakenly assummes other people hold the same view and opinion as oneself.
It’s caused by us living in different contests – if I read political opinion pieces, primarily from sources I resepct I’m likely to think more people than likely actually do agree with my political assessments.
If I interact with people who strongly support ideas like pursuing the ideologues and oath breakers who enabled crimes of torture and aggressive war I’m likely to think more people than actually do are willing to sacrifice political good will and progress for it.
My point is that although there are many, I among them, who think it would be the right thing to do, to pursue these criminals, an administrations reluctance to do it might not be because they side with the criminals but because they disagree with the likelihood of success.
Professional politicians and poll watchers may simply have a different understanding of public will and support.
Not to mention that presidents often have to juggle several concerns. For example Obama said he’d release all the incriminating photos of U.S torture but held back on the cusp of doing so.
He may have been reasonably juggling the need for accountability with the need to reduce tensions during U.S withdrawal from Iraq.
Personally if I were Obama I’d have taken all the good will I had at my inauguration and steamrolled the top few things I wanted straight through – but I’m not a professional politician.
Following my instincts would probably never see me elected to high office in the first place.
Obama’s honeymoon is over, and people are beginning to wonder when the change they were promised is coming. I still think it’s early days (he’s only had the reins for about five months) and too soon to hold the momentum of the previous eight years against him.
I meant ‘different contexts’, not ‘contests’ back there. Although it still kinda made sense.
I meant ‘different contexts’, not ‘contests’ back there. Although it still kinda made sense.
I meant ‘different contexts’, not ‘contests’ back there. Although it still kinda made sense.
With a few more good Republican senatorial scandals, we may get a more solid Democratic super-majority than we currently have. If that happens, it’s up to us to hold the senators’ feet to the fire and push for some real change.
But watch for the K St. crowd. They’re already working hard on screwing us on health care reform.
With a few more good Republican senatorial scandals, we may get a more solid Democratic super-majority than we currently have. If that happens, it’s up to us to hold the senators’ feet to the fire and push for some real change.
But watch for the K St. crowd. They’re already working hard on screwing us on health care reform.
I don’t think you want to raise Cheney’s profile again… he whipped Obama last time. He’s a very persuasive SOB, he’ll lake Eric Halter (and Obama by association) look weak and ineffectual.
I don’t think you want to raise Cheney’s profile again… he whipped Obama last time. He’s a very persuasive SOB, he’ll lake Eric Halter (and Obama by association) look weak and ineffectual.
I don’t think you want to raise Cheney’s profile again… he whipped Obama last time. He’s a very persuasive SOB, he’ll lake Eric Halter (and Obama by association) look weak and ineffectual.
Fentex, this comment by M. is probably what you meant as he creates his own context and sounds oh so dearly like that wonderful Bushism “Bring it on.” If on the other hand, Cheney won, then why is he still constantly under the gun for his cowardly inthenameofpatriotism acts?
Nothing was so gratifying to me than last summer’s treatment of Cheney when he tried to address the student bodies in Pomona and was booed off the stage and almost arrested.
Hugo, the Republican’s roasted Clinton for a blowjob and used it to tout their own “family values” a ghost that is just now coming home to roost.
My hope is that somewhere someone took advantage of the Bush/Cheney rape of our privacy to make copies of their culpabilities to be published at a later date.
Fentex, this comment by M. is probably what you meant as he creates his own context and sounds oh so dearly like that wonderful Bushism “Bring it on.” If on the other hand, Cheney won, then why is he still constantly under the gun for his cowardly inthenameofpatriotism acts?
Nothing was so gratifying to me than last summer’s treatment of Cheney when he tried to address the student bodies in Pomona and was booed off the stage and almost arrested.
Hugo, the Republican’s roasted Clinton for a blowjob and used it to tout their own “family values” a ghost that is just now coming home to roost.
My hope is that somewhere someone took advantage of the Bush/Cheney rape of our privacy to make copies of their culpabilities to be published at a later date.
Fentex, this comment by M. is probably what you meant as he creates his own context and sounds oh so dearly like that wonderful Bushism “Bring it on.” If on the other hand, Cheney won, then why is he still constantly under the gun for his cowardly inthenameofpatriotism acts?
Nothing was so gratifying to me than last summer’s treatment of Cheney when he tried to address the student bodies in Pomona and was booed off the stage and almost arrested.
Hugo, the Republican’s roasted Clinton for a blowjob and used it to tout their own “family values” a ghost that is just now coming home to roost.
My hope is that somewhere someone took advantage of the Bush/Cheney rape of our privacy to make copies of their culpabilities to be published at a later date.
rhbee, cheney just whooped obama in head to head speeches. all of DC took note, those here who have real agenda goals, should simply take note too. regular america is JUST FINE with torturing bad guys…
so, crabiness for crabiness is a foolish waste of time – why should liberals HIGHLIGHT the things that make them different from the masses?
stick to the hard policy goals that more people agree with. keep your powder dry.
rhbee, cheney just whooped obama in head to head speeches. all of DC took note, those here who have real agenda goals, should simply take note too. regular america is JUST FINE with torturing bad guys…
so, crabiness for crabiness is a foolish waste of time – why should liberals HIGHLIGHT the things that make them different from the masses?
stick to the hard policy goals that more people agree with. keep your powder dry.
rhbee, cheney just whooped obama in head to head speeches. all of DC took note, those here who have real agenda goals, should simply take note too. regular america is JUST FINE with torturing bad guys…
so, crabiness for crabiness is a foolish waste of time – why should liberals HIGHLIGHT the things that make them different from the masses?
stick to the hard policy goals that more people agree with. keep your powder dry.
Morgan, you are a great reason for someone to want to live elsewhere than the US. Amoral at best, slipping on down from there, methinks.
Morgan, you are a great reason for someone to want to live elsewhere than the US. Amoral at best, slipping on down from there, methinks.
Morgan, you are a great reason for someone to want to live elsewhere than the US. Amoral at best, slipping on down from there, methinks.
Morgan-Only on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh did anyone say Cheney came out ahead in that exchange. In fact senior Republicans told him to STFU because he was not helping their side. That’s what he did and that’s why he’s not doing any more interviews.
Morgan-Only on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh did anyone say Cheney came out ahead in that exchange. In fact senior Republicans told him to STFU because he was not helping their side. That’s what he did and that’s why he’s not doing any more interviews.
Morgan-Only on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh did anyone say Cheney came out ahead in that exchange. In fact senior Republicans told him to STFU because he was not helping their side. That’s what he did and that’s why he’s not doing any more interviews.
“On paper, Obama should be an easy victor in his duel with Cheney; Obama is viewed favorably by about 60 percent of the public, Cheney by about 25 percent. And yet Cheney seems to be winning this fight,” The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank writes. “For the moment, at least, Obama’s intellectual arguments can’t match Cheney’s visceral rage.”
For the first time in his presidency, Americans are getting a glimpse of Barack Obama on defense,” Politico’s Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin write. “The most popular politician in the country found himself pushed up against a wall by one of the least popular in Cheney — the leading voice in a budding Republican attack on Obama over national defense, one of the GOP’s oldest (and most successful) cudgels against Democrats.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/05/obama-cheney–.html
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Jon, dude it is hard to discuss things with you rationally, because either you don’t READ anything else but the NYT, or you simply mentally write opposing view points off.
Cheney won and Republicans are not telling him to STFU. That’s just 100% perfectly wrong. Seriously. Laughable.
Look, I’m much more objective about this stuff. Ex: I don’t support Palin Repubs, I don’t root blindly against Obama. I get 50% of what I want from Obama.
I’m making a very clear solid political argument that MOST of DC thinks – arguing with Cheney about torture is NOT helpful to getting Obama’s agenda across. There’s too much chance of losing. Even if there was a decent chance of winning – like over 30 or 50% – or 60% or 75% – it’d be a HORRIBLE thing to do.
It’s like “don’t ask don’t tell” as Clinton’s first policy announcement in ’92. Just idiot-style dumb timing.
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The question is WHY you don’t get that? All economy, even political economy, is about opportunity cost. Hard choices. Jobs is the issue, letting go of Cheney is the opportunity cost.
I promise you, Republicans all over will rejoice if Alter raises up Cheney again. They will REJOICE.
“On paper, Obama should be an easy victor in his duel with Cheney; Obama is viewed favorably by about 60 percent of the public, Cheney by about 25 percent. And yet Cheney seems to be winning this fight,” The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank writes. “For the moment, at least, Obama’s intellectual arguments can’t match Cheney’s visceral rage.”
For the first time in his presidency, Americans are getting a glimpse of Barack Obama on defense,” Politico’s Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin write. “The most popular politician in the country found himself pushed up against a wall by one of the least popular in Cheney — the leading voice in a budding Republican attack on Obama over national defense, one of the GOP’s oldest (and most successful) cudgels against Democrats.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/05/obama-cheney–.html
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Jon, dude it is hard to discuss things with you rationally, because either you don’t READ anything else but the NYT, or you simply mentally write opposing view points off.
Cheney won and Republicans are not telling him to STFU. That’s just 100% perfectly wrong. Seriously. Laughable.
Look, I’m much more objective about this stuff. Ex: I don’t support Palin Repubs, I don’t root blindly against Obama. I get 50% of what I want from Obama.
I’m making a very clear solid political argument that MOST of DC thinks – arguing with Cheney about torture is NOT helpful to getting Obama’s agenda across. There’s too much chance of losing. Even if there was a decent chance of winning – like over 30 or 50% – or 60% or 75% – it’d be a HORRIBLE thing to do.
It’s like “don’t ask don’t tell” as Clinton’s first policy announcement in ’92. Just idiot-style dumb timing.
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The question is WHY you don’t get that? All economy, even political economy, is about opportunity cost. Hard choices. Jobs is the issue, letting go of Cheney is the opportunity cost.
I promise you, Republicans all over will rejoice if Alter raises up Cheney again. They will REJOICE.
“On paper, Obama should be an easy victor in his duel with Cheney; Obama is viewed favorably by about 60 percent of the public, Cheney by about 25 percent. And yet Cheney seems to be winning this fight,” The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank writes. “For the moment, at least, Obama’s intellectual arguments can’t match Cheney’s visceral rage.”
For the first time in his presidency, Americans are getting a glimpse of Barack Obama on defense,” Politico’s Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin write. “The most popular politician in the country found himself pushed up against a wall by one of the least popular in Cheney — the leading voice in a budding Republican attack on Obama over national defense, one of the GOP’s oldest (and most successful) cudgels against Democrats.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/05/obama-cheney–.html
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Jon, dude it is hard to discuss things with you rationally, because either you don’t READ anything else but the NYT, or you simply mentally write opposing view points off.
Cheney won and Republicans are not telling him to STFU. That’s just 100% perfectly wrong. Seriously. Laughable.
Look, I’m much more objective about this stuff. Ex: I don’t support Palin Repubs, I don’t root blindly against Obama. I get 50% of what I want from Obama.
I’m making a very clear solid political argument that MOST of DC thinks – arguing with Cheney about torture is NOT helpful to getting Obama’s agenda across. There’s too much chance of losing. Even if there was a decent chance of winning – like over 30 or 50% – or 60% or 75% – it’d be a HORRIBLE thing to do.
It’s like “don’t ask don’t tell” as Clinton’s first policy announcement in ’92. Just idiot-style dumb timing.
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The question is WHY you don’t get that? All economy, even political economy, is about opportunity cost. Hard choices. Jobs is the issue, letting go of Cheney is the opportunity cost.
I promise you, Republicans all over will rejoice if Alter raises up Cheney again. They will REJOICE.
Say it often enough and people will start to believe it. Can’t hardly wait for Morgan’s next declaration of triumph over Prof. Taplin. Not even in the same universe… but somehow those people living in a different energy state manage to ball things up for the rest of us.
Bunch of tapeworms. And Morgan, last time the analogy came around you made some remark indicating you might even like the comparison, and that all you were doing was “protecting your young.” Tapeworms shed eggs by the millions, to infect other critters, but they most definitely do not take care of their young, their parents, their siblings, and other than sharing a common biology, they sure don’t even care much for one another. Some of them are even able to fuck themselves, and reproduce that way. So they don’t need anyone (except for the owner of the bowel they infest.)
Lie up there secretly in the gut, sucking the life out of the host — sounds like “Undisclosed Location” Cheney and the rest of the shit-dwellers that have plagued this nation for the last 35 years. Yep, we all need tapeworms and tumors and elephantiasis — it’s part of the non-sequitur view that it’s all just about “opportunity costs.”
Love the way you use and abuse Google or maybe Lexis/Nexis or whatever your tool for selective-bitting of thoughtspace is.
Say it often enough and people will start to believe it. Can’t hardly wait for Morgan’s next declaration of triumph over Prof. Taplin. Not even in the same universe… but somehow those people living in a different energy state manage to ball things up for the rest of us.
Bunch of tapeworms. And Morgan, last time the analogy came around you made some remark indicating you might even like the comparison, and that all you were doing was “protecting your young.” Tapeworms shed eggs by the millions, to infect other critters, but they most definitely do not take care of their young, their parents, their siblings, and other than sharing a common biology, they sure don’t even care much for one another. Some of them are even able to fuck themselves, and reproduce that way. So they don’t need anyone (except for the owner of the bowel they infest.)
Lie up there secretly in the gut, sucking the life out of the host — sounds like “Undisclosed Location” Cheney and the rest of the shit-dwellers that have plagued this nation for the last 35 years. Yep, we all need tapeworms and tumors and elephantiasis — it’s part of the non-sequitur view that it’s all just about “opportunity costs.”
Love the way you use and abuse Google or maybe Lexis/Nexis or whatever your tool for selective-bitting of thoughtspace is.
And here’s something about parasitic life forms, in a simple format and terms — anything look familiar?
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:IgT9-uGf37YJ:www.colorado.edu/eeb/courses/2040cruz/presentations/L.0.6%2520%2520tapeworms.ppt+tapeworm+reproduction&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
And here’s something about parasitic life forms, in a simple format and terms — anything look familiar?
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:IgT9-uGf37YJ:www.colorado.edu/eeb/courses/2040cruz/presentations/L.0.6%2520%2520tapeworms.ppt+tapeworm+reproduction&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
JT,
You sure cocoon yourself mentally. You shouldn’t reduce yourself to being an echo chamber.
All that wasted venom just to say, “Unfortunately, Morgan’s right, lots of mainstream people side with Cheney on national security.”
Going back to abusing Google!
JT,
You sure cocoon yourself mentally. You shouldn’t reduce yourself to being an echo chamber.
All that wasted venom just to say, “Unfortunately, Morgan’s right, lots of mainstream people side with Cheney on national security.”
Going back to abusing Google!
JT,
You sure cocoon yourself mentally. You shouldn’t reduce yourself to being an echo chamber.
All that wasted venom just to say, “Unfortunately, Morgan’s right, lots of mainstream people side with Cheney on national security.”
Going back to abusing Google!
“regular america is JUST FINE with torturing bad guys…”
You (like Cheney) live in a fantasy world. The Base is just fine with torturing “bad guys”, in fact, The Base is fine with torturing just about anybody who doesn’t look and act just like them. Most of the rest of America has woken up, at least for a while, from the frenzied “USA! USA!” bloodlust of 2002-2006. If there’s another attack, then I imagine a lot of them will once again shit themselves with fear and sign over their rights, their decency and their brains to another Strangelove, so long as their own miserable lives are protected at any cost.
Your attitude is hardly surprising, as you believe that Mexico exists solely for real estate developers to destroy the way they destroyed Florida.
“regular america is JUST FINE with torturing bad guys…”
You (like Cheney) live in a fantasy world. The Base is just fine with torturing “bad guys”, in fact, The Base is fine with torturing just about anybody who doesn’t look and act just like them. Most of the rest of America has woken up, at least for a while, from the frenzied “USA! USA!” bloodlust of 2002-2006. If there’s another attack, then I imagine a lot of them will once again shit themselves with fear and sign over their rights, their decency and their brains to another Strangelove, so long as their own miserable lives are protected at any cost.
Your attitude is hardly surprising, as you believe that Mexico exists solely for real estate developers to destroy the way they destroyed Florida.
“regular america is JUST FINE with torturing bad guys…”
You (like Cheney) live in a fantasy world. The Base is just fine with torturing “bad guys”, in fact, The Base is fine with torturing just about anybody who doesn’t look and act just like them. Most of the rest of America has woken up, at least for a while, from the frenzied “USA! USA!” bloodlust of 2002-2006. If there’s another attack, then I imagine a lot of them will once again shit themselves with fear and sign over their rights, their decency and their brains to another Strangelove, so long as their own miserable lives are protected at any cost.
Your attitude is hardly surprising, as you believe that Mexico exists solely for real estate developers to destroy the way they destroyed Florida.
Dan, Mexico would LOVE to be the next Florida. Forget the nationalistic machinations of politicans on both sides – Mexicans would vote for it in a second. “Snap my fingers, be like Florida?” (SNAP) It would be 5 full shades of standard of life improvement for tens of millions of poor people. Don’t poo poo that, it looks bad on you.
You seem so sure of the happiness of the less fortunate in other countries who haven’t suffered through the horrors of being the leading first world state. We both know that’s silly and evil way to think. You aren’t silly and evil.
And I’m not concerned with the pros and cons of bloodlust or whatever other nasty way you stare at the world. I’ve made only one point, which no one refutes – that WASTING TIME chasing old formidable ghosts… on issues that are not slam dunks – HURTS the other action items infinitely more important Obama needs to accomplish.
Dan, Mexico would LOVE to be the next Florida. Forget the nationalistic machinations of politicans on both sides – Mexicans would vote for it in a second. “Snap my fingers, be like Florida?” (SNAP) It would be 5 full shades of standard of life improvement for tens of millions of poor people. Don’t poo poo that, it looks bad on you.
You seem so sure of the happiness of the less fortunate in other countries who haven’t suffered through the horrors of being the leading first world state. We both know that’s silly and evil way to think. You aren’t silly and evil.
And I’m not concerned with the pros and cons of bloodlust or whatever other nasty way you stare at the world. I’ve made only one point, which no one refutes – that WASTING TIME chasing old formidable ghosts… on issues that are not slam dunks – HURTS the other action items infinitely more important Obama needs to accomplish.
Dan, Mexico would LOVE to be the next Florida. Forget the nationalistic machinations of politicans on both sides – Mexicans would vote for it in a second. “Snap my fingers, be like Florida?” (SNAP) It would be 5 full shades of standard of life improvement for tens of millions of poor people. Don’t poo poo that, it looks bad on you.
You seem so sure of the happiness of the less fortunate in other countries who haven’t suffered through the horrors of being the leading first world state. We both know that’s silly and evil way to think. You aren’t silly and evil.
And I’m not concerned with the pros and cons of bloodlust or whatever other nasty way you stare at the world. I’ve made only one point, which no one refutes – that WASTING TIME chasing old formidable ghosts… on issues that are not slam dunks – HURTS the other action items infinitely more important Obama needs to accomplish.
Eww, his eyes in that pic. He looks possessed. But then, Yoo is. Those who carried out orders shouldn’t be prosecuted, but those who ‘crafted’ bending the Constitutional authority should at the very least be investigated, and prosecuted if the case is there. It can lead where it leads. It will take some time and we can endure it.
Eww, his eyes in that pic. He looks possessed. But then, Yoo is. Those who carried out orders shouldn’t be prosecuted, but those who ‘crafted’ bending the Constitutional authority should at the very least be investigated, and prosecuted if the case is there. It can lead where it leads. It will take some time and we can endure it.