Comments on: Robber Barons http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/ Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:38:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Rick Turner http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-26974 Rick Turner Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:56:54 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-26974 JTM, I"m slogging through a book entitled, "Children of the Revolution, the French, 1799-1914", and what a fucked up century plus! We'd better hope that we're not going to see that kind of upheaval for that long a time. It took France basically losing their asses in WWI and the Brits and us saving their asses to pull them out, only to have the Germans hit them again just a generation later...and they lost again, only to be saved by, yes, the Brits and us... And are they grateful? Mais non! JTM, I”m slogging through a book entitled, “Children of the Revolution, the French, 1799-1914″, and what a fucked up century plus! We’d better hope that we’re not going to see that kind of upheaval for that long a time. It took France basically losing their asses in WWI and the Brits and us saving their asses to pull them out, only to have the Germans hit them again just a generation later…and they lost again, only to be saved by, yes, the Brits and us… And are they grateful? Mais non!

]]> By: Rick Turner http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-27005 Rick Turner Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:56:54 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-27005 JTM, I"m slogging through a book entitled, "Children of the Revolution, the French, 1799-1914", and what a fucked up century plus! We'd better hope that we're not going to see that kind of upheaval for that long a time. It took France basically losing their asses in WWI and the Brits and us saving their asses to pull them out, only to have the Germans hit them again just a generation later...and they lost again, only to be saved by, yes, the Brits and us... And are they grateful? Mais non! JTM, I”m slogging through a book entitled, “Children of the Revolution, the French, 1799-1914″, and what a fucked up century plus! We’d better hope that we’re not going to see that kind of upheaval for that long a time. It took France basically losing their asses in WWI and the Brits and us saving their asses to pull them out, only to have the Germans hit them again just a generation later…and they lost again, only to be saved by, yes, the Brits and us… And are they grateful? Mais non!

]]> By: Jon Taplin http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-26972 Jon Taplin Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:37:22 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-26972 JTM-I think the Ancien Regime notion is pretty true. The battle between the centralizers of administrative authority and the New Federalists may be the crucial marker of our progress towards real democracy. JTM-I think the Ancien Regime notion is pretty true. The battle between the centralizers of administrative authority and the New Federalists may be the crucial marker of our progress towards real democracy.

]]> By: Jon Taplin http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-27004 Jon Taplin Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:37:22 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-27004 JTM-I think the Ancien Regime notion is pretty true. The battle between the centralizers of administrative authority and the New Federalists may be the crucial marker of our progress towards real democracy. JTM-I think the Ancien Regime notion is pretty true. The battle between the centralizers of administrative authority and the New Federalists may be the crucial marker of our progress towards real democracy.

]]> By: JTMcPhee http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-26970 JTMcPhee Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:45:53 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-26970 woodnsoul -- do you really believe that congressional reps will do a darn thing about the biggest wealth transfer from the future to the present that has ever happened in history? The people who brought you HR1424, the "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008," that 400-plus-page earmark-filthy abdication of Congressional power that gave Paulson and Bernanke the keys to the treasury? The TARP thing that is making rich people even richer? Does the word "futility" mean anything to you? Lots of people may get mad, but the taxpayers' purse, unto the third generation at least, is wide open for every shameless opportunist to dip into. Congresspeople say they are "concerned" and "troubled" that billions are going into the retirement accounts of the people who stole the billions now "disappeared" in the first place. OOOH, and a strong letter will follow! What you have before you is the greedy of today robbing the needy of tomorrow. It's gonna take more than an act of Congress (we already have several, remember?) to "change" this last grasp of our very own incarnation of the Ancien Regime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien_R%C3%A9gime_in_France I know it's just WikiWords, but my recall of history classes says it's pretty close to correct. Does any of this sound at all familiar, like what you are looking at in today's news? Do you know what happened in France in 1786? 1787? 1788? 1789? And after? http://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/searchfr.php?function=find&start=1 Of course, the outcome of all THAT change was one Napoleon Buonaparte, and the very model of the modern state. Careful what you wish for -- you may get it. woodnsoul — do you really believe that congressional reps will do a darn thing about the biggest wealth transfer from the future to the present that has ever happened in history? The people who brought you HR1424, the “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,” that 400-plus-page earmark-filthy abdication of Congressional power that gave Paulson and Bernanke the keys to the treasury? The TARP thing that is making rich people even richer?

Does the word “futility” mean anything to you?

Lots of people may get mad, but the taxpayers’ purse, unto the third generation at least, is wide open for every shameless opportunist to dip into. Congresspeople say they are “concerned” and “troubled” that billions are going into the retirement accounts of the people who stole the billions now “disappeared” in the first place. OOOH, and a strong letter will follow!

What you have before you is the greedy of today robbing the needy of tomorrow.

It’s gonna take more than an act of Congress (we already have several, remember?) to “change” this last grasp of our very own incarnation of the Ancien Regime:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien_R%C3%A9gime_in_France

I know it’s just WikiWords, but my recall of history classes says it’s pretty close to correct. Does any of this sound at all familiar, like what you are looking at in today’s news? Do you know what happened in France in 1786? 1787? 1788? 1789? And after?

http://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/searchfr.php?function=find&start=1

Of course, the outcome of all THAT change was one Napoleon Buonaparte, and the very model of the modern state.

Careful what you wish for — you may get it.

]]> By: JTMcPhee http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-27003 JTMcPhee Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:45:53 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-27003 woodnsoul -- do you really believe that congressional reps will do a darn thing about the biggest wealth transfer from the future to the present that has ever happened in history? The people who brought you HR1424, the "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008," that 400-plus-page earmark-filthy abdication of Congressional power that gave Paulson and Bernanke the keys to the treasury? The TARP thing that is making rich people even richer? Does the word "futility" mean anything to you? Lots of people may get mad, but the taxpayers' purse, unto the third generation at least, is wide open for every shameless opportunist to dip into. Congresspeople say they are "concerned" and "troubled" that billions are going into the retirement accounts of the people who stole the billions now "disappeared" in the first place. OOOH, and a strong letter will follow! What you have before you is the greedy of today robbing the needy of tomorrow. It's gonna take more than an act of Congress (we already have several, remember?) to "change" this last grasp of our very own incarnation of the Ancien Regime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien_R%C3%A9gime_in_France I know it's just WikiWords, but my recall of history classes says it's pretty close to correct. Does any of this sound at all familiar, like what you are looking at in today's news? Do you know what happened in France in 1786? 1787? 1788? 1789? And after? http://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/searchfr.php?function=find&start=1 Of course, the outcome of all THAT change was one Napoleon Buonaparte, and the very model of the modern state. Careful what you wish for -- you may get it. woodnsoul — do you really believe that congressional reps will do a darn thing about the biggest wealth transfer from the future to the present that has ever happened in history? The people who brought you HR1424, the “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,” that 400-plus-page earmark-filthy abdication of Congressional power that gave Paulson and Bernanke the keys to the treasury? The TARP thing that is making rich people even richer?

Does the word “futility” mean anything to you?

Lots of people may get mad, but the taxpayers’ purse, unto the third generation at least, is wide open for every shameless opportunist to dip into. Congresspeople say they are “concerned” and “troubled” that billions are going into the retirement accounts of the people who stole the billions now “disappeared” in the first place. OOOH, and a strong letter will follow!

What you have before you is the greedy of today robbing the needy of tomorrow.

It’s gonna take more than an act of Congress (we already have several, remember?) to “change” this last grasp of our very own incarnation of the Ancien Regime:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien_R%C3%A9gime_in_France

I know it’s just WikiWords, but my recall of history classes says it’s pretty close to correct. Does any of this sound at all familiar, like what you are looking at in today’s news? Do you know what happened in France in 1786? 1787? 1788? 1789? And after?

http://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/searchfr.php?function=find&start=1

Of course, the outcome of all THAT change was one Napoleon Buonaparte, and the very model of the modern state.

Careful what you wish for — you may get it.

]]> By: woodnsoul http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-26969 woodnsoul Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:20:21 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-26969 Have you written or called your congressional rep about any of this yet and let them know how pissed off you are about the way the bailout is being handled? If enough folks get really pissed about his and let their congressional reps know it, change WILL happen. If not, then these guys will continue to rip us all off. Have you written or called your congressional rep about any of this yet and let them know how pissed off you are about the way the bailout is being handled?

If enough folks get really pissed about his and let their congressional reps know it, change WILL happen. If not, then these guys will continue to rip us all off.

]]> By: woodnsoul http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-27002 woodnsoul Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:20:21 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-27002 Have you written or called your congressional rep about any of this yet and let them know how pissed off you are about the way the bailout is being handled? If enough folks get really pissed about his and let their congressional reps know it, change WILL happen. If not, then these guys will continue to rip us all off. Have you written or called your congressional rep about any of this yet and let them know how pissed off you are about the way the bailout is being handled?

If enough folks get really pissed about his and let their congressional reps know it, change WILL happen. If not, then these guys will continue to rip us all off.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-26968 Hugo Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:06 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-26968 frankly, doug, where I think we can agree is that we leave the table with our winnings or else without. I know that's facile, but I mean it. Your point is so well taken: Cerberus made a bet. frankly, doug, where I think we can agree is that we leave the table with our winnings or else without. I know that’s facile, but I mean it. Your point is so well taken: Cerberus made a bet.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2008/12/28/robber-barons/comment-page-1/#comment-27001 Hugo Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:06 +0000 http://jontaplin.com/?p=3233#comment-27001 frankly, doug, where I think we can agree is that we leave the table with our winnings or else without. I know that's facile, but I mean it. Your point is so well taken: Cerberus made a bet. frankly, doug, where I think we can agree is that we leave the table with our winnings or else without. I know that’s facile, but I mean it. Your point is so well taken: Cerberus made a bet.

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