WTF-Joe The Plumber

How did Joe The Plumber become the center of this debate? I sure hope Joe enjoys his 15 minutes of fame. Andy Warhol would be proud.

McCain was playing to the base on abortion, and taxes. Barack was playing to the center on healthcare, education, energy.

My take was “No runs, no hits, no errors”. That means this debate did not change anything.

Update-All the post debate snap polls show Obama winning convincingly. 

CNN poll: Obama 58, McCain 31.

CBS undecideds: Obama 53, McCain 22.

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0 Responses to WTF-Joe The Plumber

  1. To be honest, as a McCain voter, his performance made me feel more confident in my decision.

  2. rjjrdq says:

    Hey, will you all just lay off poor Joe!

  3. BobbyG says:

    I’m glad this shit is over with. All three debates, by about 6:50, I found myself looking at my watch thinking “please let this be over.”

    Obama was marginally better on policy detail merits. Playing it safe, obviously. Melt clock. 2:32 in the 4th quarter, your opponent is outa timeouts and has 3rd and 10 on his own 5 yard line.

    McCain: that this man is even yet seriously considered viable is testament to the rampant ignorance and outright stupidity in this nation. Right; he’s gonna cut taxes and spending across the board, yet still provide everyone with everything.

    The cognitive dissonance meter just broke its needle.

  4. BobbyG says:

    Milena, rethink. You’re backing a loser. Palin alone disqualifies him.

  5. Jon Taplin says:

    Milena- You must love all that smirking the old guy does.

  6. You know a politician is in trouble when he begins a sentence, “I am not . . .”

  7. zak says:

    I can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings on the McPalin trail. . . now that Obama has asked for three weeks of focus on the issues and McCain insists he’s proud of his supporters’ antics.

  8. zak says:

    Also apparently Joe Plumber is uncommitted, but by his responses to reporters, he’s leaning McCain.

  9. Greg G says:

    @BobbyG –

    McCain: that this man is even yet seriously considered viable

    Do you mean as an organism or as a candidate?

  10. Phil Nelson says:

    Actually “No runs, no hits, no errors” would be “no walks” short of a Perfect Game.

  11. Lumineux says:

    Jon…what the hell is coming out of that toilet?

    Milena…I thought you had come over to the dark side…no?

    I actually thought this was McCain’s best showing, but it still did nothing for me. I am sick of listening to both of them. Let’s vote already!

  12. Mason Dixon says:

    I can’t help it. McCain just comports himself like a world class prick.
    Every time he laughs at his own nasty comments, he just reminds me of the mean kid who sits behind the smart kid, smacks him in the back of the head, and then pretends like he didn’t do it, then turns to all his friends and laughs…

    His line on the “health” of women… yeah, that old excuse. What a dick.

  13. Fake says:

    Whoever Joe the plumber is, now there are tshirts being made for him and his richness! Look at !!! Crazy.

  14. nate smith says:

    I agree! There are a lot of other great characters who could have been the center of this debate. Here are 10 of them. LOL

  15. BobbyG says:

    On McCain’s dissing of the “health of the mother”

    I refuted the “life begins at conception” reproductive rights canard here:

    Talk me down if you can.

  16. Rick Turner says:

    McCain still = Gollum…sick, nasty, stuck in his own constipated epoxy shit. Making faces because he can smell himself…and can’t get loose of it.

  17. Rick Turner says:

    Oh…that’s why he needs Joe the Plumber…

  18. Mason Dixon says:

    What do you see in him?

  19. Rick Turner says:

    Father figure?

  20. woodnsoul says:

    Apparently Joe isn’t going to have much of a say in the election as he is not registered to vote in Ohio.

    Again, I just listened to the debate and didn’t watch. Golem was back. Not as bad in some ways, worse in others.

    There is a significant difference that seems to escape McCain: The difference between Autism and Downs Syndrome…

    One of the guys I met with tonight said the debate was: McCain talking about a terrorist from 40 years ago, while Obama talked about the economy, health care and other issues. McCain, from a listeners point of view, was horrible, and I didn’t even get to see the facial expressions.

  21. Alex Bowles says:

    And Team Obama continues to run out the clock…

  22. Rick Turner says:

    Is that right? Joe SixPackPlumber isn’t a registered voter? Yet he shows up at political rallies? Or is he registered in a different state? Let’s hope that he isn’t a non-registered US citizen being held up as the average man, because that would be to ironic for a man of lead.

  23. zak says:

    Joe Plumber is supposed to be doing the morning talk show circuit tomorrow to enjoy his 15 minutes. Hopefully one of the interviewers will ask the “are you registered to vote” gotcha question.

  24. zestypete says:

    First, I assumed JTP was a plant sent by the Republicans.

    Then I realised that the GOP ain’t that subtle:

    Thankfully, the truly false facts about Obama are finally being realised, so we can better protect ourselves:

  25. Dan says:

    I wasn’t happy with either candidate. Yes in spite of myself I listened to most of the debate…although, as with the Biden-Palin debate, I couldn’t bring myself to actually watch most of it.

    Both candidates were petty and sniping and defensive too much of the time. McCain was by far the worst, with his endless simplifications of everything down to “Joe the Plumber” and his inference that Obama will strangle good decent pious smalltown folk with taxes, but overall the debate was a stupid waste of time.

    McCain with his smirk and his eye-rolling has never looked more Dubyian than he did last night. He has clearly decided that this is his only chance of winning–to hope that what worked for the dimwit will work for him.

  26. Jon Taplin says:

    MD and Dan- The smirking and eye rooling doesn’t work. As Amy Sullivan in Time reported

    In politics it is generally not considered a good sign when voters are laughing at you, not with you. And by the end of the third and last presidential debate, the undecided voters who had gathered in Denver for Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg’s focus group were “audibly snickering” at John McCain’s grimaces, eye-bulging, and repeated references to “Joe the Plumber.”

  27. VeryBadMan says:

    Wait one damn minute. I just noticed John McCain was NOT wearing one of those fancy lapel pins in the final debate. Un American. Seriously, how could he not wear a lapel pin? What an oversight.

  28. justaddh2o says:

    The bottom line is we have to have a complete shift to the middle class. We have acquiesce to big Barons and they have perpertually profitted from our hardwork. Apparently big baron’s believe they can have thier people and eat it too. It is obvious that the McCain (or Mcshame) and Palin party doesn’t have any respect to us voters (whether we are democrat or republican by virtue) and the reason I say this is we are reffered to us “Joe Sick Pack, Joe Plumber or the infamous ‘That One!’. We have a name and a surname if that and we are the pillars of this economy!

  29. zestypete says:

    I tried to post this link earlier, but it didn’t happen, so I’ll try try again. McCain should consult it for his remaining time on the campaign trail. Fresh material and much funnier:

  30. At the risk of going down in flames (again) has anyone stopped to consider the effect that the sports analogies…especially “backing the winner” have on this debate? Words matter. It’s not a game and the object is not to back the winner, but to select the best leader.

  31. zestypete says:

    Apologies for the double posting of that link – not sure why it didn’t appear earlier. Moderating comments Jon? If so, I’ll wait a bit longer before I try to push through the hilarious linkage.

  32. Oh hell. Maybe I read that ‘backing the winner’ comment on another thread. I need more coffee. Leaving thread now to go get a refill…coming back silently.

  33. Rick Turner says:

    Actually, Amber, I think the object is to eliminate the worse wanna be leader.

    I think Obama is OK and is the best choice. I don’t think he goes far enough in some areas, though he probably knows the politics of that better than I do.

    I still want to know how we’re to deal with nuclear waste if we build more nuke power plants. Send the stuff to McCain’s ranch in Arizona?

    I still want to see universal health care and a considered approach to the cost. I have this sneaking suspicion that it could be an overall net savings because a) you wouldn’t have insurance companies wasting money on advertising, b) a feature could be preventative care which would help cut down on sickness, c) the emergency room system would no longer be stressed with folks using it as primary care, and d) it would not be unreasonable to charge people a life-style tax if they chose to smoke or were obese.

  34. Ken Ballweg says:

    Gee Jon, to be Fair and to be Balanced, shouldn’t your poll update include Drudge and Fox. A poll’s not a poll unless it includes the skewed data as well.

    Or so I’m told.

    By a Republican friend.

    Who didn’t use the word “skewed” exactly.

  35. VeryBadMan says:

    I, until now an Undecided Voter, have decided NOT to vote for John McCain because of concerns over his “health.”

  36. VeryBadMan says:

    Even though he is “pro-life”.

  37. Jim Ramsey says:

    I guess no one noticed that Obama was actually walking through a neighborhood talking to real people. It was not filtered. so he took Joe’s concerns along with others support. Bottom line McCain can walk through Iraq with full military support, but he is afraid to walk the streets and talk to Americans in their homes.

  38. Mason Dixon says:

    VBM. Funny.

  39. Rick, I’d like to see universal health care too. It’s gonna be a tough sell because people label it ‘socialist’ and the American people at large seem to respond more to name calling than anything requiring real thought.

    One big benefit of this kind of ‘socialism’ is that medical, dental, and vision services might begin to shift back to being offered as necessary services rather than products for sale. I don’t think the free market (and, no, I don’t think it’s ever been a truly ‘free’ market anyway) has served the customers of these industries very well. Example? I was asked to schedule another dental visit for a tooth extraction for my six year old…for a front tooth that was already loose. Why? Well the tooth is coming in and it “could” come in behind, on top, etc. Uh, I think I’ll just let nature take its course and save my insurance company the cost and me the cost of the copay. I could go on and on with examples just from my own family, but it would get real boring real fast. But if the medical industry is doing it to me, they’re doing it to thousands (hundreds of thousands, millions?) of others who don’t speak up. These “services” have become just one more road to consumptionville.

  40. Rick Turner says:

    The folks I know in countries that have universal/national health plans may have a few complaints, but they go weak in the knees considering what we go through here. Until I hit MediCare age, I was in about $550.00 a month for pretty crappy medical insurance. That was down from nearly $1,000.00 a month. That’s just ridiculous and is because it is not a shared risk money pool AND because the insurance companies have to make a profit for their stockholders.

  41. Mason Dixon says:

    I had to go to the hospital once, in Scotland, a strange feeling, heart palpitation, dizziness, and was there for three hours, in which time they did an EKG, and a series of other test. I was seen by three very attentive doctors at the same time and they found nothing, possibly fatigue. Jet lag. When they were finished, I said, where do I pay? Everyone looked at me like I was crazy. If this had happened in the states, this would have been thousands and thousands of dollars.
    I think the first time people have the experience of not having to pay, they’ll get used to it pretty quick.

  42. Well, we will pay…in higher taxes. I, however, don’t have a problem with that. I don’t think that the “free” market is the best solution to every problem; mainly because the market isn’t really free. As we are now learning the hard way, it is set up to benefit stockholders…not customers. This is one of the huge, unacknowledged fallacies underlying the entire free market argument (in my undereducated opinion)…large companies answer to their stockholders much more than their customers…and the wealth continues to flow upward. Then there’s the second big fallacy: consumers make a rational, informed choice. Consumers rarely make a purely rational choice (we’re humans, so what?) but increasingly they are not making informed/educated choices as well…they are suckers for slick marketing. It’s difficult to remedy this when basic math, reading, and critical thinking aren’t being taught to kids in school. Why? Because it’s no longer about reading and math…it’s about purchasing a reading and math programs from a big educational corporation that’s answerable to…the customers? Oh hell no! The stockholders. The people holding most of this stock (hint: people who can afford the best schools) are not interested at all in providing excellent free public education. Indeed, a mass of educated consumers is probably their worst nightmare.

    Despite my cynicism, I remain the optimist. I mean, if people can stop (or even slow down) on their pepsi purchases (another post) perhaps there is hope for our society yet. As much as its hurting my own little world, I’m sort of relishing the current crisis…maybe if some asses get whooped enough the heads will come out of them.

  43. Seth says:


    It’s worse than that. Corporations mostly are accountable only to their top execs and board members. Hence the astronomical compensation for mediocre to dreadful performance.

  44. Dan says:

    Getting back to McCain.

    He hammered on Ayers and ACORN today, stating pretty flatly that Obama is little more than a front for a league of terrorists and vote fraudsters who together are trying to destroy America. It’s hard to believe this is the same guy who, a week ago, grabbed the mike out of a woman’s hand when she started up with the “Obama is an Arab” stuff. Man, he has really fallen to rock-bottom in my view of him. And yet there are over two weeks left; I have to wonder what comes next. Guess we’ll find out tomorrow.

  45. ThomDowting says:

    This I can’t beleive. Huffington’s Eisberg is saying that Joe the plumber isn’t just any plumber. Joe the plumber’s dad is Charles-Keating’s son-in-law…

    And here I was looking for a Watergate connection this whole time…

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