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		<title>By: Flint Dille</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7840</link>
		<dc:creator>Flint Dille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jon...  You get the mass transit thing I sent you?  Non partisan. It starts from the premise of &#039;what would make me WANT to take mass transit... Or Ride Share.  Peter Marx and I have been working on this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon&#8230;  You get the mass transit thing I sent you?  Non partisan. It starts from the premise of &#8216;what would make me WANT to take mass transit&#8230; Or Ride Share.  Peter Marx and I have been working on this.<br />
Flint</p>
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		<title>By: Flint Dille</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7845</link>
		<dc:creator>Flint Dille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jon...  You get the mass transit thing I sent you?  Non partisan. It starts from the premise of &#039;what would make me WANT to take mass transit... Or Ride Share.  Peter Marx and I have been working on this.
Flint</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon&#8230;  You get the mass transit thing I sent you?  Non partisan. It starts from the premise of &#8216;what would make me WANT to take mass transit&#8230; Or Ride Share.  Peter Marx and I have been working on this.<br />
Flint</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Golden</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7836</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon -

Aside from the other issues I have with this post (well discussed by others) you have committed another logical fallacy.  You point out that Obama&#039;s polling has increased since the FISA vote.  But, as we scientists have to endlessly repeat to our students &lt;i&gt;correlation does not equal causality!&lt;/i&gt;.

It is virtually inconceivable to me that anyone who was undecided or leaning McCain prior to the FISA vote has changed his mind and will now vote for Obama.  He got nothing but bad press from this, and not just from those of us who are civil libertarians.  He was perceived, correctly and across the political spectrum, as an opportunist and a flip-flopper.  Hardly the stuff to persuade anyone.

Obama is doing well partly because McCain is doing so poorly, and to attribute this correlation to the FISA vote is, frankly, pretty silly.

P.S. I have a hard and fast rule: I am uninterested in contributing to campaigns of candidates who decide that I am someone they need to &quot;triangulate&quot; off of.  It was the main reason I couldn&#039;t bring myself to support Clinton.  I don&#039;t have to agree with everything a candidate says, but I won&#039;t be his/her punching bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon -</p>
<p>Aside from the other issues I have with this post (well discussed by others) you have committed another logical fallacy.  You point out that Obama&#8217;s polling has increased since the FISA vote.  But, as we scientists have to endlessly repeat to our students <i>correlation does not equal causality!</i>.</p>
<p>It is virtually inconceivable to me that anyone who was undecided or leaning McCain prior to the FISA vote has changed his mind and will now vote for Obama.  He got nothing but bad press from this, and not just from those of us who are civil libertarians.  He was perceived, correctly and across the political spectrum, as an opportunist and a flip-flopper.  Hardly the stuff to persuade anyone.</p>
<p>Obama is doing well partly because McCain is doing so poorly, and to attribute this correlation to the FISA vote is, frankly, pretty silly.</p>
<p>P.S. I have a hard and fast rule: I am uninterested in contributing to campaigns of candidates who decide that I am someone they need to &#8220;triangulate&#8221; off of.  It was the main reason I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to support Clinton.  I don&#8217;t have to agree with everything a candidate says, but I won&#8217;t be his/her punching bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Golden</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7844</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon -

Aside from the other issues I have with this post (well discussed by others) you have committed another logical fallacy.  You point out that Obama&#039;s polling has increased since the FISA vote.  But, as we scientists have to endlessly repeat to our students &lt;i&gt;correlation does not equal causality!&lt;/i&gt;.

It is virtually inconceivable to me that anyone who was undecided or leaning McCain prior to the FISA vote has changed his mind and will now vote for Obama.  He got nothing but bad press from this, and not just from those of us who are civil libertarians.  He was perceived, correctly and across the political spectrum, as an opportunist and a flip-flopper.  Hardly the stuff to persuade anyone.

Obama is doing well partly because McCain is doing so poorly, and to attribute this correlation to the FISA vote is, frankly, pretty silly.

P.S. I have a hard and fast rule: I am uninterested in contributing to campaigns of candidates who decide that I am someone they need to &quot;triangulate&quot; off of.  It was the main reason I couldn&#039;t bring myself to support Clinton.  I don&#039;t have to agree with everything a candidate says, but I won&#039;t be his/her punching bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon -</p>
<p>Aside from the other issues I have with this post (well discussed by others) you have committed another logical fallacy.  You point out that Obama&#8217;s polling has increased since the FISA vote.  But, as we scientists have to endlessly repeat to our students <i>correlation does not equal causality!</i>.</p>
<p>It is virtually inconceivable to me that anyone who was undecided or leaning McCain prior to the FISA vote has changed his mind and will now vote for Obama.  He got nothing but bad press from this, and not just from those of us who are civil libertarians.  He was perceived, correctly and across the political spectrum, as an opportunist and a flip-flopper.  Hardly the stuff to persuade anyone.</p>
<p>Obama is doing well partly because McCain is doing so poorly, and to attribute this correlation to the FISA vote is, frankly, pretty silly.</p>
<p>P.S. I have a hard and fast rule: I am uninterested in contributing to campaigns of candidates who decide that I am someone they need to &#8220;triangulate&#8221; off of.  It was the main reason I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to support Clinton.  I don&#8217;t have to agree with everything a candidate says, but I won&#8217;t be his/her punching bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Taplin</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Taplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we have to follow Baker&#039;s advice and change the law.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Taplin</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7843</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Taplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we have to follow Baker&#039;s advice and change the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we have to follow Baker&#8217;s advice and change the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7833</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.&quot;

With all due respect, now who&#039;s being naive?  You think we should give up any hope of protecting our personal privacy, but you think that Obama will return war powers to Congress?  He won&#039;t give it up, and--this is the real point--Congress won&#039;t accept the power and the responsibility anyway.  They are much happier wearing lapel flag pins and shouting, &quot;Support the Troops!&quot;

The need to pass the original 1973 act was evidence that the executive had already seized extra-constitutional power in that area.  The fact that two ex secretaries of state are talking about re-visiting the issue is proof that the 1973 act has been safely ignored by every president since its passage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect, now who&#8217;s being naive?  You think we should give up any hope of protecting our personal privacy, but you think that Obama will return war powers to Congress?  He won&#8217;t give it up, and&#8211;this is the real point&#8211;Congress won&#8217;t accept the power and the responsibility anyway.  They are much happier wearing lapel flag pins and shouting, &#8220;Support the Troops!&#8221;</p>
<p>The need to pass the original 1973 act was evidence that the executive had already seized extra-constitutional power in that area.  The fact that two ex secretaries of state are talking about re-visiting the issue is proof that the 1973 act has been safely ignored by every president since its passage.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7842</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.&quot;

With all due respect, now who&#039;s being naive?  You think we should give up any hope of protecting our personal privacy, but you think that Obama will return war powers to Congress?  He won&#039;t give it up, and--this is the real point--Congress won&#039;t accept the power and the responsibility anyway.  They are much happier wearing lapel flag pins and shouting, &quot;Support the Troops!&quot;

The need to pass the original 1973 act was evidence that the executive had already seized extra-constitutional power in that area.  The fact that two ex secretaries of state are talking about re-visiting the issue is proof that the 1973 act has been safely ignored by every president since its passage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect, now who&#8217;s being naive?  You think we should give up any hope of protecting our personal privacy, but you think that Obama will return war powers to Congress?  He won&#8217;t give it up, and&#8211;this is the real point&#8211;Congress won&#8217;t accept the power and the responsibility anyway.  They are much happier wearing lapel flag pins and shouting, &#8220;Support the Troops!&#8221;</p>
<p>The need to pass the original 1973 act was evidence that the executive had already seized extra-constitutional power in that area.  The fact that two ex secretaries of state are talking about re-visiting the issue is proof that the 1973 act has been safely ignored by every president since its passage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Taplin</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Taplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STS- Maybe the real test of an Obama Presidency would be his willingness to walk back the Bush notions of the Imperial Executive.

Perhaps he could start by overhauling the whole NSA operation. Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STS- Maybe the real test of an Obama Presidency would be his willingness to walk back the Bush notions of the Imperial Executive.</p>
<p>Perhaps he could start by overhauling the whole NSA operation. Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Taplin</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/07/09/obama-fisafaith-iran/comment-page-2/#comment-7841</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Taplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STS- Maybe the real test of an Obama Presidency would be his willingness to walk back the Bush notions of the Imperial Executive.

Perhaps he could start by overhauling the whole NSA operation. Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STS- Maybe the real test of an Obama Presidency would be his willingness to walk back the Bush notions of the Imperial Executive.</p>
<p>Perhaps he could start by overhauling the whole NSA operation. Then move on to introducing a War Powers act with real teeth.</p>
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