John McCain's Hidden Navy Records

If Jeff klein’s reporting in the Huffington Post  tonight is correct, then the last leg of McCain’s myth is about to topple.

Is McCain now getting away with more by hiding his official (Navy) history and by having his national security adviser inflate McCain’s resume with a bogus promotion to admiral humbly declined? If so, McCain may be attempting to hide why the Navy was in fact slow to promote him upwards despite his suffering as a POW and his distinguished naval heritage.

If it turns out that McCain was the same sort of arrogant flyboy fuck up as George Bush–one that the Navy would have never promoted to Admiral, as his staff has claimed to the New York Times.

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18 Responses to John McCain's Hidden Navy Records

  1. zak says:

    his class rank was 894 out of 899 at the naval academy; it’s not like he was going to magically rocket to the top of the naval heap

  2. zak says:

    Just ran across a quote from the legend himself, “You don’t have to be real smart. I stood fifth from the bottom of my class at the naval academy, which shows in America anything is possible.”

    Didn’t America take the same sort of chance on Bush?. . . didn’t work out so well the first two times.

  3. oj says:

    ya – and what leads us to believe that we should stand around with forks poised?

  4. Psychon says:

    Meh… I’m already sick of this “race” and it just started. This will just be another Kerry episode, but flipped. That article is interesting, but not suprising.

    From the article:

    “Regardless, McCain owes it to the country to release his complete naval records so that American voters can see his documented history and make an informed decision.”

    My biggest problem with this kind of “Call to arms” about releasing military record is that we can’t demand the same for Obama. No… He doesn’t have a public service record to demand to see. I think we should pump up all of his family with truth serum and grill them to get his “stupid years” out of them.

    All this back and forth personal attack crap is nausiating… Obama is a muslim!!! McCain is a air-jock!!! In the end republicans will vote for a republican, democrats for a democrat. They may as well just wait until November and save their money 😉

  5. Jon Taplin says:

    Psychon- If you are right that people will vote along declared party affiliation, then it will be a blowout for the Democrats. The Republicans only have 34% of the electorate today.

  6. JR says:

    I’m concerned that McCain’s “base”, the Main Stream Media, will never do a negative story on his military record. It would be viewed as “unpatriotic.”

  7. MS says:

    Any thoughts on the totally unsubstantiated rumor (floated by Steve Rosenbaum at that McCain might resign (“for health reasons”) before the convention, to be replaced by a more viable candidate?

    Here’s a lively discussion at (with most comments debunking the rumor):

  8. zak says:

    interesting rumor. . . I think he’s more likely to keel over before November than voluntarily walk away.

  9. Rick Turner says:

    So we’ve had the proud “C” student from Yale…Bush as president for going on 8 years, and now we’re supposed to vote for a guy who barely graduated? That’s Republican intellectual power for you. I don’t get it. Are there just that many Bubbas out there who are suspicious of anyone smart? I guess that’s where the “elitist” label comes from…to be smart is to be elite.

  10. Steve says:

    The charge is that McCain’s national security advisor has embellished his military resume when speaking to the NY Times? Unless McCain himself is caught in a lie I don’t think this is newsworthy. McCain has been pretty open about his poor academic record.

    Last week Fox News was labeled “truly disgusting” on this site. I think that describes Huffington Post pretty well too. Particularly this guy Chris Kelly…

  11. Steve says:

    Bush was an average student, but if I’m not mistaken his grades and test scores were better than Kerry or Gore. So it’s disingenuous to rip the Republicans intellectual power.
    I agree that Obama is a very smart man. His intellect is impressive. I only wish he had some executive experience.

  12. John Hurt says:


    That is one seriously vulgar thread you linked us to. Did you read the comments?

  13. MS says:

    Actually, the diversity of viewpoints is what makes Huffington Post interesting: from liberal (occasionally leftie) to right (occasionally slimey), including the occasional famous person.

    The majority of Huffington Post postings tend to be liberal and sane.

  14. Rachel says:

    Psychon is right. What next: “A4 pilots for truth”?.

    Your thread on Cheney is right on, because it’s about a crucial issue – corruption. This thread has you playing the man, rather than a substantial issue. We can do better.

  15. Steve says:

    I had not read the comments. I just quickly perused them. I saw one inappropriate comment out of about the first 40. Does it get worse? Are the commenters as vulgar as Chris Kelly’s column being cited? Are you referring to one specific comment or do you just generally find conservatives to be seriously vulgar? Just curious.

  16. John Hurt says:

    I found the whole thing grim. I meant no offense to you. No, I don’t find conservatives to be any particular thing. Probably best to take these things on a case by case basis. What do you say?

  17. Pointed Revelations says:


    “McCain’s Ties to Shadowy Security Company Confirmed”
    (revised September 13, 2008)

    John McCain makes occasional mention of his friend, Admiral Chuck Larson, whose distinguished career includes the command of nuclear submarines and the management of the Naval Academy.

    Not as well known but by no means concealed is Larson’s link to Washington’s ViaGlobal Group, the successor company to ViaFinance and Galway Partners.

    ViaGlobal was serving as the “business incubator” for Rosetta Research and Consulting LLC, best known as the company involved in luring Afghan tribal chieftain and accused drug kingpin Haji Bashar Noorzai to the U.S., where he was arrested in April of 2005.

    Rosetta’s Department of Defense sponsors, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld, brokered an introduction to CNN military commentator General David Grange, who serves as an advisor to ViaGlobal.

    Grange made the initial arrangements between Rosetta, represented by former Katten Muchin Zavis Rosenman partner and ex-NSC attorney Joseph Myers, now with the International Monetary Fund, and ViaGlobal’s chairman, Frank Gren.

    Another former Katten Muchin Zavis Rosenman partner, Carole Van Cleefe, brokered a deal between Rosetta and Oracle. Oracle project managers Barbara Bleiweiss and Peter Bloom attempted to establish a joint venture using an existing contract vehicle with the Foreign Terrorist Tracking Task Force (FTTTF), but was unsuccessful due to Rosetta’s cost demands.

    Gren and his colleagues sought to obtain additional funding for Rosetta, as millions of dollars in investment money had been spent on payments to secure the confidence of Noorzai. Myers, Gren, and others sought sources of funding such as a contract with the FBI as well as an investment from fallen tobacco lawyer Dickie Scruggs.

    ViaGlobal appears to have used McCain, acting through staffer Chris Paul, to divert a 2004 FBI internal investigation into dealings between Rosetta contractors and certain FBI employees. This was the subject of a meeting held with the FBI’s Deputy Director John Pistole in late 2004.

    In mid 2006, the Department of Justice’s Office of the Inspector General conducted an investigation into criminal activities of the same FBI employees. Rosetta’s phone, email, and contractual records were subpoenaed. In addition, several Rosetta officials and advisors were questioned for several weeks.

    Papers filed as part of the Noorzai case show that Rosetta, acting under the orders of senior U.S. officials, promised Noorzai he would not be arrested. Rosetta also paid substantial sums to various foreign government officials who then lied to Noorzai about the actual purpose of the meetings. Noorzai had been indicted as a drug kingpin, and since efforts to secure his cooperation in other matters had failed, the decision was made to bring him to the United States and arrest him.

    The papers also show that Rosetta sought and obtained in excess of ten million dollars from investors, who believed they were investing in a security company.

    Instead, the money was being used to finance the lavish and extensive travel needed to locate Noorzai and gain his confidence. The investors are understandably upset, but since the Rosetta principals are known only as “Mike” and “Brian” no success has been had in locating them.

    Rosetta also had improper relationships with a handful of FBI employees, who were later investigated for contributing to Rosetta’s alleged violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices and Neutrality Acts.

    As part of the incubation arrangement, ViaGlobal sought to obtain ownership of Rosetta’s proprietary database of terrorist financiers as well as access to the extensive network of contacts in the Middle East developed as part of the dealings with Noorzai.

    For more information:

  18. Jon/Arizona says:

    It amazes me that McCain’s service record hasn’t been brought up during this election process. I am a Air Force Veteran and would love to here about his record. If Republicans can dig into Obamas past and bring up ever little detail, then what is the problem with bringing up McCains service record, or even more importantly the “Keating 5” situation? When you run for President your life is an open book and the public has the right to know who they are voting for. I don’t agree that just because he graduated from the bottom of his Naval class means he is not a smart man. Just to make it through that is very difficult. However, it leads me to believe that there is more to that story. Keep in mind, in those days considering his family has a military background, that some had been pushed through the program. I don’t agree that just because he was a POW qualifies him to be President. Many may say that bringing up his military service record is not patriotic, I disagree. If he is so proud of his record why not have him discuss it with the American people. The fact that Veterans are split when it comes to the candidates should tell people something. He should be running away with their votes.

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