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		<title>By: scotchcart</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/06/10/america-in-hock/comment-page-1/#comment-5719</link>
		<dc:creator>scotchcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about the bifurcation of classes.  In HRM it is called the primary and secondary labor markets.  Regretfully in the last 20 years, the secondary labor market has grown to included trades and professions that used to be in the primary market.

I think your figures simply indicate the despair in the large secondary labor market.  What is the correlation, for example, between the 50%+ of Americans struggling and suffering (Gallup) and gambling?

So where do we go on this?

a) All indications is that the system is about to shift again.  People controlling the primary labor markets are not doing a good job and their personal behavior has been dissolute (Enron etc).  The emergence of large economies elsewhere will tip the balance.  So people making their living in the economy that sells dodgy services directly or indirectly should be up-skilling.

b) Social media provides the opportunity to reorganize to give people more control over their lives.

I&#039;ve moved from a place where consumer choice is a matter of finding the consumer product to the UK where you have 50 choices of baked beans (all frankly as disgusting as the last).  It takes an afternoon in the supermarket to find a low sugar cereal.  The same exhausting process applies to telephones and professional services.  So I know consumerism is an art form.  It has to be learned consciously and applied with vigor.

Social media will help.

It will also help organize other sectors.  I am looking forward to teaching our children to be discriminating.  Beginning with the schools and teachers (and parents!).  I&#039;ve taught in cultures where students won&#039;t accept a lottery.  If you set the work and they do it and it is too hard for them, you are at fault.   In psych theory there is a VIE model.  In terms of lotteries: Value of outcome x probability of winning x ability to buy the ticket.    The US system assumes the variability is in the third.  Other cultures it is assumed to be in the second.  And wo betide the supplier who does not deliver on the second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about the bifurcation of classes.  In HRM it is called the primary and secondary labor markets.  Regretfully in the last 20 years, the secondary labor market has grown to included trades and professions that used to be in the primary market.</p>
<p>I think your figures simply indicate the despair in the large secondary labor market.  What is the correlation, for example, between the 50%+ of Americans struggling and suffering (Gallup) and gambling?</p>
<p>So where do we go on this?</p>
<p>a) All indications is that the system is about to shift again.  People controlling the primary labor markets are not doing a good job and their personal behavior has been dissolute (Enron etc).  The emergence of large economies elsewhere will tip the balance.  So people making their living in the economy that sells dodgy services directly or indirectly should be up-skilling.</p>
<p>b) Social media provides the opportunity to reorganize to give people more control over their lives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve moved from a place where consumer choice is a matter of finding the consumer product to the UK where you have 50 choices of baked beans (all frankly as disgusting as the last).  It takes an afternoon in the supermarket to find a low sugar cereal.  The same exhausting process applies to telephones and professional services.  So I know consumerism is an art form.  It has to be learned consciously and applied with vigor.</p>
<p>Social media will help.</p>
<p>It will also help organize other sectors.  I am looking forward to teaching our children to be discriminating.  Beginning with the schools and teachers (and parents!).  I&#8217;ve taught in cultures where students won&#8217;t accept a lottery.  If you set the work and they do it and it is too hard for them, you are at fault.   In psych theory there is a VIE model.  In terms of lotteries: Value of outcome x probability of winning x ability to buy the ticket.    The US system assumes the variability is in the third.  Other cultures it is assumed to be in the second.  And wo betide the supplier who does not deliver on the second.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Telthorst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Telthorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my main issue with this is that these businesses are doing two things:  1) Making a conscious choice to take advantage of people making poor decisions. 2) Not offering to do any educating to improve their customers situations (similar to drug companies who work on management therapies instead of cures - It&#039;s the old, cure the disease, lose a customer thinking that makes people hate capitalism).

It seems to me that a good solution could come out of the credit counseling non-profit sector:  If a non-profit offered cheaper payday loan-type services in a retail setting to people who were willing to talk with a counselor about their situation, where their current short-term situation could be addressed with bridge financing if they agreed to a relationship with a longer-term financial counselor working with them to make effective change.  I think that people would use it.  In my experience, it been the combination of lack of education and the shame surrounding the situation that leads people to use these services.

Perhaps I need to pitch this to some of the folks @ http://Kiva.com  hmmmmm......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my main issue with this is that these businesses are doing two things:  1) Making a conscious choice to take advantage of people making poor decisions. 2) Not offering to do any educating to improve their customers situations (similar to drug companies who work on management therapies instead of cures &#8211; It&#8217;s the old, cure the disease, lose a customer thinking that makes people hate capitalism).</p>
<p>It seems to me that a good solution could come out of the credit counseling non-profit sector:  If a non-profit offered cheaper payday loan-type services in a retail setting to people who were willing to talk with a counselor about their situation, where their current short-term situation could be addressed with bridge financing if they agreed to a relationship with a longer-term financial counselor working with them to make effective change.  I think that people would use it.  In my experience, it been the combination of lack of education and the shame surrounding the situation that leads people to use these services.</p>
<p>Perhaps I need to pitch this to some of the folks @ <a href="http://Kiva.com" rel="nofollow">http://Kiva.com</a>  hmmmmm&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gentrification Indicators</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gentrification Indicators</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meant anything to me more than a small nod to the march of American progress (such as it is) but Jon Taplin pointed out this excellent article on the growing polarization between two classes in this country - The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] meant anything to me more than a small nod to the march of American progress (such as it is) but Jon Taplin pointed out this excellent article on the growing polarization between two classes in this country &#8211; The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/06/10/america-in-hock/comment-page-1/#comment-5713</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our state is now going meta-lottery;  our legislators want to lease the state lottery to a private contractor (that can only end well) in exchange for a fat one-time payoff which our current crop of politicians can use to spread around a lot of pork (probably mostly highway projects) in their home districts to keep themselves in office.

The future will be screwed but they&#039;ll be retired by then and working as lobbyists.  For the highway construction industry.

I wonder what the next crop of politicians will dream up to ram terrible shortsighted revenue ideas even further up the state&#039;s alimentary canal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our state is now going meta-lottery;  our legislators want to lease the state lottery to a private contractor (that can only end well) in exchange for a fat one-time payoff which our current crop of politicians can use to spread around a lot of pork (probably mostly highway projects) in their home districts to keep themselves in office.</p>
<p>The future will be screwed but they&#8217;ll be retired by then and working as lobbyists.  For the highway construction industry.</p>
<p>I wonder what the next crop of politicians will dream up to ram terrible shortsighted revenue ideas even further up the state&#8217;s alimentary canal.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond simple and not-so simple economics, there is something utterly immoral about states sponsoring lotteries, while knowing full well that those most enticed are those least able to afford the costs.  I find it utterly despicable that any state would sponsor lotteries or that states, even Baptist-ridden states like Mississippi, would tolerate casino gambling, all in the name of avoiding having their residents pay for what they get.  I&#039;m no huge fan of taxes (unless they&#039;re assessed against Morgan) but I am willing to pay for the services rendered by my state.

Even the reasons states sponsor lotteries are suspect and usually not based on reality.  My own state, New Mexico, sold the idea of lotteries on providing college scholarships to deserving young New Mexicans.  Of course, administrative costs, and competition from Indian-run casinos mean that the numbers of scholarships are far smaller than originally promised.

I enjoy a good poker game with friends as much as anyone, but I have serious reservations about the economic and moral underpinnings of state-run gambling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond simple and not-so simple economics, there is something utterly immoral about states sponsoring lotteries, while knowing full well that those most enticed are those least able to afford the costs.  I find it utterly despicable that any state would sponsor lotteries or that states, even Baptist-ridden states like Mississippi, would tolerate casino gambling, all in the name of avoiding having their residents pay for what they get.  I&#8217;m no huge fan of taxes (unless they&#8217;re assessed against Morgan) but I am willing to pay for the services rendered by my state.</p>
<p>Even the reasons states sponsor lotteries are suspect and usually not based on reality.  My own state, New Mexico, sold the idea of lotteries on providing college scholarships to deserving young New Mexicans.  Of course, administrative costs, and competition from Indian-run casinos mean that the numbers of scholarships are far smaller than originally promised.</p>
<p>I enjoy a good poker game with friends as much as anyone, but I have serious reservations about the economic and moral underpinnings of state-run gambling.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Warstler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan Warstler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in one fell swoop you just killed the magazine and newspaper publishing business, the Internet, and television.

Any other big ideas before lunch?

Note:  it was when the States got into the lottery business that they decided to go after the sweepstakes business - which drove nails into the coffins of the magazines because they all used Publisher&#039;s Clearinghouse to gain new subs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in one fell swoop you just killed the magazine and newspaper publishing business, the Internet, and television.</p>
<p>Any other big ideas before lunch?</p>
<p>Note:  it was when the States got into the lottery business that they decided to go after the sweepstakes business &#8211; which drove nails into the coffins of the magazines because they all used Publisher&#8217;s Clearinghouse to gain new subs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit card debt is on its all time high with today&#039;s economy. Hopefully people can obtain the help they need to get out of debt. Thanks for the article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit card debt is on its all time high with today&#8217;s economy. Hopefully people can obtain the help they need to get out of debt. Thanks for the article!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Putnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Putnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always liked the idea of a tax on advertising. Something low, like one percent, would still provide a pot of money that could be used to help public television and other citizen media outlets.  A portion of the proceeds could also be used for consumer counseling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always liked the idea of a tax on advertising. Something low, like one percent, would still provide a pot of money that could be used to help public television and other citizen media outlets.  A portion of the proceeds could also be used for consumer counseling.</p>
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