Comments on: November's Democratic Blowout http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/ Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:50:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4033 Hugo Tue, 13 May 2008 22:13:49 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4033 We're talkin' limits here, A.J. Is there a limit to your depression, or are radical measures in order? Ken, that's interesting, your notion about the periodic need for correctives (not economic "corrections"), but social swings viz laissez faire. As I'm sure you know, The Theodore gave that hypothesis some serious thought. And Leuchtenberg's influential reading of the New Deal essentially bears you out---though the second Roosevelt, unlike the first, wasn't reflective about it; on the contrary. We’re talkin’ limits here, A.J. Is there a limit to your depression, or are radical measures in order?

Ken, that’s interesting, your notion about the periodic need for correctives (not economic “corrections”), but social swings viz laissez faire. As I’m sure you know, The Theodore gave that hypothesis some serious thought. And Leuchtenberg’s influential reading of the New Deal essentially bears you out—though the second Roosevelt, unlike the first, wasn’t reflective about it; on the contrary.

]]> By: Another Jon http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4032 Another Jon Mon, 12 May 2008 18:51:32 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4032 I am. I am.

]]> By: Morgan Warstler http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4031 Morgan Warstler Mon, 12 May 2008 15:00:46 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4031 Wait, who's having a depression? Wait, who’s having a depression?

]]> By: Ken Ballweg http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4030 Ken Ballweg Mon, 12 May 2008 14:10:35 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4030 Ah yes, remember when blue chip stocks were expected to bring in a steady income of slightly more than a savings account. We have created a level of expectation that is delusional, and unsustainable at all levels of our economy. Capitalism without community concerns eventually has to have a reset. I suspect that's what depressions are really all about. Ah yes, remember when blue chip stocks were expected to bring in a steady income of slightly more than a savings account.

We have created a level of expectation that is delusional, and unsustainable at all levels of our economy. Capitalism without community concerns eventually has to have a reset. I suspect that’s what depressions are really all about.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4029 Hugo Mon, 12 May 2008 12:37:26 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4029 Amen. Let's talk limits again. Haven't heard such talk in 30 years. (I think that's why the microfinance in which you're involved is so appealing. It's not just the scale, it's the bounds.) Amen. Let’s talk limits again. Haven’t heard such talk in 30 years. (I think that’s why the microfinance in which you’re involved is so appealing. It’s not just the scale, it’s the bounds.)

]]> By: Jon Taplin http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4028 Jon Taplin Mon, 12 May 2008 06:12:25 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4028 Hugo- That's why we have to consider how we improve our life in a more frugal way. I know this gets into the tricky territory of the Spirit, but the notion of "he who dies with the most toys, wins" does not flow from any spiritual tradition that I am aware of. Hugo- That’s why we have to consider how we improve our life in a more frugal way. I know this gets into the tricky territory of the Spirit, but the notion of “he who dies with the most toys, wins” does not flow from any spiritual tradition that I am aware of.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4027 Hugo Mon, 12 May 2008 02:08:42 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4027 Righto. Yes. An excess, I confess. You're doing McLuhan at the moment, and I'm doing Parsons, only to discover that he's doing me. The metaphor shouldn't have been taken into the realm of economics, agreed. But it was. How much currency flows in circulation at the moment? Is it not all "blood money"? The makers and movers and improvers of systems---of the sort of systems that swell the male breast at the mere utterance of the word, "system", a word that enobles with the hint of expertise and exclusivity---they've so consistently and flagrantly assumed that they were the brains of the operation, of the beast. Oh, [p]oops. There was a young lady of Riga Who smiled as she rode on a tiger; They returned from the ride With the lady inside, And the smile on the face of the tiger. I believe that's an archaic one, long in the public domain. Never can really tell with Limericks. Some say even ER I dabbled in the form. But this one, I dunno. Maybe it's half-remembered from the collected works of Oppenheimer or Speer. Can't be sure. Righto. Yes. An excess, I confess.

You’re doing McLuhan at the moment, and I’m doing Parsons, only to discover that he’s doing me. The metaphor shouldn’t have been taken into the realm of economics, agreed. But it was. How much currency flows in circulation at the moment? Is it not all “blood money”?

The makers and movers and improvers of systems—of the sort of systems that swell the male breast at the mere utterance of the word, “system”, a word that enobles with the hint of expertise and exclusivity—they’ve so consistently and flagrantly assumed that they were the brains of the operation, of the beast. Oh, [p]oops.

There was a young lady of Riga

Who smiled as she rode on a tiger;

They returned from the ride

With the lady inside,

And the smile on the face of the tiger.

I believe that’s an archaic one, long in the public domain. Never can really tell with Limericks. Some say even ER I dabbled in the form. But this one, I dunno. Maybe it’s half-remembered from the collected works of Oppenheimer or Speer. Can’t be sure.

]]> By: Jon Taplin http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4026 Jon Taplin Mon, 12 May 2008 01:13:40 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4026 Hugo-"If it's not growing, it's dying. That's what systems do."-Let's be careful to not extend this biology metaphor to deeply into the realm of economics. Its too easy to just say "growth is the only formula for survival." and rule out any number of possible solutions for the coming crisis. Somewhere in one of these recent strings you wrote eloquently about ecological limits. Lets take nothing as an iron law. Hugo-”If it’s not growing, it’s dying. That’s what systems do.”-Let’s be careful to not extend this biology metaphor to deeply into the realm of economics. Its too easy to just say “growth is the only formula for survival.” and rule out any number of possible solutions for the coming crisis. Somewhere in one of these recent strings you wrote eloquently about ecological limits. Lets take nothing as an iron law.

]]> By: Hugo http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4025 Hugo Sun, 11 May 2008 21:58:23 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4025 A healthy system grows constantly. If it's not growing, it's dying. That's what systems do. We were fools to make our world after our perception of organic "systems", rendered by engineers of every description and every human gift save the one that matters. Guess I should just go soak in my kidney pool. A healthy system grows constantly. If it’s not growing, it’s dying. That’s what systems do.

We were fools to make our world after our perception of organic “systems”, rendered by engineers of every description and every human gift save the one that matters.

Guess I should just go soak in my kidney pool.

]]> By: Morgan Warstler http://jontaplin.com/2008/05/07/novembers-democratic-blowout/comment-page-1/#comment-4024 Morgan Warstler Sun, 11 May 2008 20:18:17 +0000 http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/?p=558#comment-4024 Rick, it isn't that solar costs more than it produces. Thats not what you should be hearing, let alone arguing against. The point is that it takes FF to make solar panels. Even new nano-stuff requires FF, so if the cost of oil is $200 a barrel, the cost of solar to create is higher. The question of course is, as always, if you are FOR solar, why are you against a war to ensure the oil flows free? Rick, it isn’t that solar costs more than it produces. Thats not what you should be hearing, let alone arguing against. The point is that it takes FF to make solar panels. Even new nano-stuff requires FF, so if the cost of oil is $200 a barrel, the cost of solar to create is higher.

The question of course is, as always, if you are FOR solar, why are you against a war to ensure the oil flows free?

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