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		<title>By: Ken Ballweg</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/04/08/cheating-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-2934</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Ballweg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugo - Again, agree with the principle totally. The problem is to find ways (remove the incentives) that make cheating conceivable and appear relevant to folks who are convinced that the point is to win the most toys, or the most power. I&#039;m not justifying the fact that cheating exists because there are so many models, I&#039;m decrying the fact that we have developed a culture that tolerates and practices it on such a pervasive level that a large number of your students will be deaf to your lessons because they see cheating as socially sanctioned.

Leaders lead by setting the tone as much as by deciding policy, and specific strategies. Cheating is one area where trickle down is actually verifiable.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/public-corruption-higher-ever

So, in addition to bemoaning it, we really need to clean up our government and commerce by having a major accountability session. The judicial watch article only hints at how pervasive it is, what we can&#039;t begin to count is the number of officials who are &quot;cheating&quot; and using the system to cover it up. White collar crime loses probably dwarf those  totaled by the majority of people held in prisons today. Until we as a society decide to prosecute these crimes with the same zeal put into the war on drugs, then too many of our kids will see cheating as a very viable option. And, moral repugnance aside, how can you frame a winning argument against the actual examples that they see?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugo &#8211; Again, agree with the principle totally. The problem is to find ways (remove the incentives) that make cheating conceivable and appear relevant to folks who are convinced that the point is to win the most toys, or the most power. I&#8217;m not justifying the fact that cheating exists because there are so many models, I&#8217;m decrying the fact that we have developed a culture that tolerates and practices it on such a pervasive level that a large number of your students will be deaf to your lessons because they see cheating as socially sanctioned.</p>
<p>Leaders lead by setting the tone as much as by deciding policy, and specific strategies. Cheating is one area where trickle down is actually verifiable.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/public-corruption-higher-ever" rel="nofollow">http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/public-corruption-higher-ever</a></p>
<p>So, in addition to bemoaning it, we really need to clean up our government and commerce by having a major accountability session. The judicial watch article only hints at how pervasive it is, what we can&#8217;t begin to count is the number of officials who are &#8220;cheating&#8221; and using the system to cover it up. White collar crime loses probably dwarf those  totaled by the majority of people held in prisons today. Until we as a society decide to prosecute these crimes with the same zeal put into the war on drugs, then too many of our kids will see cheating as a very viable option. And, moral repugnance aside, how can you frame a winning argument against the actual examples that they see?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/04/08/cheating-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-2933</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A third option, Ken, might be to provide conditions for education in which cheating is irrelevant or even inconceivable.

Can you conceive of a dying Marine saying to a corpsman, &quot;Guess I had it comin&#039;, Doc.  I knew I shouldn&#039;ta cheated in Basic&quot;?  Of course not!  It&#039;s unthinkable.  Try to imagine Yo Yo Ma admitting in an interview that he achieved his position in Music by cheating.  Or imagine Mark Wellman trying to figure out how to cheat his way to the top of El Capitan.

Sure, we&#039;re perverse creatures and yes, the spirit and the flesh do vie, but still, everything worth doing is worth doing worthily.

We ought to help students to find things that they know are worth doing.  When I teach the young but fail to do this, it is I who am unworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A third option, Ken, might be to provide conditions for education in which cheating is irrelevant or even inconceivable.</p>
<p>Can you conceive of a dying Marine saying to a corpsman, &#8220;Guess I had it comin&#8217;, Doc.  I knew I shouldn&#8217;ta cheated in Basic&#8221;?  Of course not!  It&#8217;s unthinkable.  Try to imagine Yo Yo Ma admitting in an interview that he achieved his position in Music by cheating.  Or imagine Mark Wellman trying to figure out how to cheat his way to the top of El Capitan.</p>
<p>Sure, we&#8217;re perverse creatures and yes, the spirit and the flesh do vie, but still, everything worth doing is worth doing worthily.</p>
<p>We ought to help students to find things that they know are worth doing.  When I teach the young but fail to do this, it is I who am unworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Ballweg</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/04/08/cheating-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-2932</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Ballweg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick - Possibly, but some may become the owner of the Rangers, say, or, say... Vice President of the US.

As much as we want to believe in &quot;comeuppance&quot; the fact is that fate&#039;s finger is fickle, and the current crop of public figures getting caught is probably only the tip of the iceberg. Like the large number of murders that never get solved, some cheaters prosper, some don&#039;t.

Each year the Tour de France &quot;cleans up&quot; once and for all. Each year, people dope to win, despite the prior &quot;lessons&quot;. The trick, as someone said, is to find a way to change the balance of incentives, or adopt draconian proctoring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick &#8211; Possibly, but some may become the owner of the Rangers, say, or, say&#8230; Vice President of the US.</p>
<p>As much as we want to believe in &#8220;comeuppance&#8221; the fact is that fate&#8217;s finger is fickle, and the current crop of public figures getting caught is probably only the tip of the iceberg. Like the large number of murders that never get solved, some cheaters prosper, some don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Each year the Tour de France &#8220;cleans up&#8221; once and for all. Each year, people dope to win, despite the prior &#8220;lessons&#8221;. The trick, as someone said, is to find a way to change the balance of incentives, or adopt draconian proctoring.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/04/08/cheating-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-2931</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zak, I admire your pluck, and I&#039;ve already indicated that I thought you&#039;d see things that way, but I&#039;ve got to agree with Rick: there are no shortcuts.  It seems that there are, yes.  But it&#039;s an illusion.  A lie.  And a lure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zak, I admire your pluck, and I&#8217;ve already indicated that I thought you&#8217;d see things that way, but I&#8217;ve got to agree with Rick: there are no shortcuts.  It seems that there are, yes.  But it&#8217;s an illusion.  A lie.  And a lure.</p>
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		<title>By: zak</title>
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		<dc:creator>zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
Look at what CEOs are paid. Their companies can be failing financially and yet they&#039;re given a golden parachute and all they money they can carry and then some.

Doesn&#039;t American capitalism teach you that outcomes are the only thing that matters, regardless of what happens on the way from Point A to Point B?  Youth is basically following the rules society set up for them and continues to embrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
Look at what CEOs are paid. Their companies can be failing financially and yet they&#8217;re given a golden parachute and all they money they can carry and then some.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t American capitalism teach you that outcomes are the only thing that matters, regardless of what happens on the way from Point A to Point B?  Youth is basically following the rules society set up for them and continues to embrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just went back and read some of the posts by those I assume to be young and either in college or recently out.

Good fucking luck, you guys.   You may get away with cheating there in the ivory tower, but you&#039;ll get a real wake-up call sooner than later out in the real world.   You&#039;ll try to cheat your boss...and you&#039;ll lose.   You&#039;ll try to game your friends...and you&#039;ll lose.   You&#039;ll cheat on your spouses...and you&#039;ll lose.    In the real world, cheating is followed by falling flat on your ugly faces.   It may take years, but there&#039;s a Randy Cunningham future for you all, and you&#039;ll well deserve it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just went back and read some of the posts by those I assume to be young and either in college or recently out.</p>
<p>Good fucking luck, you guys.   You may get away with cheating there in the ivory tower, but you&#8217;ll get a real wake-up call sooner than later out in the real world.   You&#8217;ll try to cheat your boss&#8230;and you&#8217;ll lose.   You&#8217;ll try to game your friends&#8230;and you&#8217;ll lose.   You&#8217;ll cheat on your spouses&#8230;and you&#8217;ll lose.    In the real world, cheating is followed by falling flat on your ugly faces.   It may take years, but there&#8217;s a Randy Cunningham future for you all, and you&#8217;ll well deserve it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Turner</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/04/08/cheating-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-2928</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah,  just move the goal posts or run the 94 meter 100, as John Clark so brilliantly wrote into his spoof of the Sydney Olympics for Australian TV.  Got to make students feel good about themselves, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,  just move the goal posts or run the 94 meter 100, as John Clark so brilliantly wrote into his spoof of the Sydney Olympics for Australian TV.  Got to make students feel good about themselves, right?</p>
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		<title>By: zak</title>
		<link>http://jontaplin.com/2008/04/08/cheating-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-2927</link>
		<dc:creator>zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;LINDEN - School administrators have tried nearly everything from gift cards to special assemblies and even principals shaving their heads as incentives to improve student achievement on standardized tests.

This year, Linden High School is playing its trump card: Grade changes.

Students who test proficient or advanced on the state tests used by educators to judge a school&#039;s academic success will earn an increase of an entire letter grade on their report card in math and English, Principal Stephanie Markle said.&quot;
http://recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080419/A_NEWS/804190354/-1/rss01

Continuing the trend toward results not the process of learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;LINDEN &#8211; School administrators have tried nearly everything from gift cards to special assemblies and even principals shaving their heads as incentives to improve student achievement on standardized tests.</p>
<p>This year, Linden High School is playing its trump card: Grade changes.</p>
<p>Students who test proficient or advanced on the state tests used by educators to judge a school&#8217;s academic success will earn an increase of an entire letter grade on their report card in math and English, Principal Stephanie Markle said.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080419/A_NEWS/804190354/-1/rss01" rel="nofollow">http://recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080419/A_NEWS/804190354/-1/rss01</a></p>
<p>Continuing the trend toward results not the process of learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That IS a useful exercise, MS!  It&#039;s a wonderful exercise, to learn proper attribution, and it&#039;s an exercise that every scholar must master to earn the title &quot;scholar&quot;.  It&#039;s also an exercise that scientists and professional historians live by, and that journalists used to practice every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That IS a useful exercise, MS!  It&#8217;s a wonderful exercise, to learn proper attribution, and it&#8217;s an exercise that every scholar must master to earn the title &#8220;scholar&#8221;.  It&#8217;s also an exercise that scientists and professional historians live by, and that journalists used to practice every day.</p>
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		<title>By: MS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes it&#039;s called &quot;cheating&quot; when it&#039;s not exactly that: kids doing homework together, sharing class information, studying together for a test.

Is it &quot;cheating&quot; to take words off the Internet?

UC Berkeley classes have asked students to take words from the Internet and put them in a paper WITHOUT CHEATING. A useful exercise. More useful, in my opinion, than punishing kids for taking words and phrases for the Internet and calling them &quot;plagerists.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s called &#8220;cheating&#8221; when it&#8217;s not exactly that: kids doing homework together, sharing class information, studying together for a test.</p>
<p>Is it &#8220;cheating&#8221; to take words off the Internet?</p>
<p>UC Berkeley classes have asked students to take words from the Internet and put them in a paper WITHOUT CHEATING. A useful exercise. More useful, in my opinion, than punishing kids for taking words and phrases for the Internet and calling them &#8220;plagerists.&#8221;</p>
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